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QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 30, 2014 -> 06:50 AM) Thank you. Why do so few understand this? I will say that "making nothing this year" is a bit of an exaggeration, even "relative to top of the rotation starters". I put it this way; "he will make about half of what he will get per year, on his new free agency contract, next season". I thought that would make the point quite clear, but apparently there are some who would disagree with us. Perhaps the way to make this point is to stress that a contract extension is only a positive thing, if the terms are reasonable. Many of the existing free agent contracts, have become significant burdens to the clubs carrying them. Why covet such "albatross" contracts. I'd much prefer getting a guy for half of the money, and non of the longer term risk. The problem is it's still a relative long shot to make the postseason this year even with Shark and some more additions. Beane is not going to move him for Semien. It's going to take someone like Anderson, or perhaps Alexei + Semien. The odds that Beane can hold onto Shark and move him at the deadline for a package similar to Semien + are very high. This leaves both teams with little impetus to make a trade today, unless the White Sox believe they can sign Shark to a reasonable extension, thereby extending his value into the more likely window of success in '16-18. If they feel as though he's going to want to test free agency or receive above-market value as consideration for bypassing free agency, then there is really little value to acquiring him right now in exchange for anything they perceive to be critical to their success moving forward.

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 04:12 PM) My question is: Is Semien really that valuable? Keep seeing he could be the "center piece" to a deal and I'm sitting over here wondering if I missed something or what... Also just to clarify, Montas is the guy the Sox just got for... Dunn? Isn't he projected more as a late inning guy and not a starter? It's just the wrong time to move him. It would be selling him a bit low for no reason.

QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 03:46 PM) So a trade will happen soon Yeah, that is nonsense.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:59 AM) But if Samardzija is willing to sign an extension with the Sox does that entitle the A's to a better return? They own one year of Samradzija's rights so that is what we would be trading for. I am inquiring, but I really don't think that's something that would allow for a larger/more talented package going to Oakland. It would be nice...if only Samardzija was willing to strong arm his boss for the Sox's best interest. Well, if it were me, I'd say this gives you the right to negotiate solely with Shark...you won't get this opportunity in free agency. The A's don't have rights for more than one year but because of the trade situation the White Sox benefit. It provides exclusive rights as well as obscures his true market value. It's a "but for" scenario.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:40 AM) Actually, I believe that Hahn isn't a guy that likes to fly under the radar like Ken Williams does. Even KW seems to have bought into the new philosophy regarding organizational leaks by talking about how excited he is about some of these potential big deals that are out there. That's never something we would have heard a few years ago. I think the days of flying under the radar are gone, and for good reason. You can use the media in your favor by leaking certain things. Maybe Rick put it out there that there were talks with the Dodgers about an Alexei deal in an effort to also get the Mets to make a real offer. Another possibility is leaking interest in someone like Melky Cabrera in an effort to help coerce a team into trading the Sox an outfielder. I'm just guessing, but you never know. Plus, it has to be very difficult to operate under the radar. As few leaks as humanly possible, in a world where we all want to tell our best friends this amazing news that we heard. I think it's fair to say they use the media all the time to execute certain strategies.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) Slusser? Yeah, I agree. I was responding to someone mentioning that Hahn deals haven't been leaking lately. Yeah, I was just buoying your point.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:28 AM) I don't know if anyone can guess what Beane is looking for anymore. His track record went from entirely predictable to almost groundless. If I had to guess, I would say Alexei Ramirez is not in this deal. I know how much the Sox value him and he's not the type of guy Beane goes after. He's an older player and despite being a great value, his AAV isn't spare change. But again, Beane can turn around and make a Jim Johnson type trade. Because Beane exploits undervalued assets in the marketplace, subject to his budget. People keep trying to peg him with a particular type of asset, when the only type he looks for is one where the actual value and the market value are disparate.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:26 AM) But there are two sides to all of these deals. Seems like the A's side is looser lately. SS is usually very reliable.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:00 AM) LOL. Sorry guys, if Tim Anderson's best friends know this news, it would be broke by now. Big media sources know this before the minor league players do. Or at least know the deal is finalized if not the players. I'm sure his best friend would call him.

And then someone originally described as his best friend tweeted "best of luck in Oakland, bud." Turned out to not likely be anyone he knew.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 09:51 AM) His second half stats this season were pretty close to his first half Just this last year, or in his career as a starter?

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 09:48 AM) All I'm saying re: Shark is you're going to be forced into paying in talent and dollars as if those WAR figures are 6-7 each year when in fact he's relatively unproven as a front-of-the-rotation starter. His talent is the main thing garnering him this attention. Jose Quintana has been a better pitcher at least each of the past two years and I bet Billy Beane is asking for him in return Hasn't the main issue been that he falls off in the second half?

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 09:44 AM) Good point. You ain't lyin! Please let it be Upton with an extension. I know its a pipe dream but whoa would that be a hell of a 3,4,5. I don't buy it. The Sox trading Eaton makes no sense. It does if he's going to Atlanta.

Hah, I love Billy Beane. This is the exact type of trade everyone was telling us you don't do the other day. It's obviously a gamble on Lawrie's health, but let's see what else gets done.

QUOTE (shipps @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 03:17 PM) Adooooooooorablllllllllle. It's a moose onesie too, Shipps!

I bought a onesie from Abercrombie & Fitch. I can already see full Sunday's in my future on the couch in my onesie.

My wife makes this sweet potato casserole with bananas in it...its f***ing incredible. But the all-time best is her carrot cake with a cream cheese based frosting. Holy s***.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 12:08 PM) I could have sworn someone on Soxtalk made an argument that Alexeis defensive statistics and zone ratings are skewed negatively because he gets to a lot of balls that he really shouldnt, and then cant make the play because they are such incredibly difficult plays. Or, i could be having a bad Hawk flashback That would actually negatively effect his traditional defensive statistics, like errors. UZR should reflect positively on Alexei for getting to more balls.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 27, 2014 -> 12:34 PM) I just want this entire staff fired right now. Yeah, this is where I'm at too.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 26, 2014 -> 03:43 PM) I think we could argue this until the cows come home. Ultimately, the Sox have to ask for Seager or Pederson. I think the Dodgers will turn their noses up at that, and no deal will be worked out. In that regard, I hope I'm wrong because I'd personally be OK with the Sox not competing for another year to acquire a talent like one of those two and I think Hahn would feel the same way. And that's perfectly acceptable...I wouldn't trade either of those guys for Alexei either. But that's where I start asking about Kemp. There is no reason we shouldn't be able to work something out in that regard.

So what are they doing with the spinoff?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 06:35 PM) And all it takes for prospects to do like prospects do, and bust at a high rate, and you have nothing. Which is why I'm not arguing for a package based solely on prospects, but you're refusing to read that or something.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 06:29 PM) For one of the best five pitchers in the game, at a WAY below market contract, long term, not a chance. Chris Sale's value is insane, and it would take an insane return to get him. Prospects aren't good enough. And all it takes is an injury to that left arm and poof, that value is severely diminished. Nothing wrong with diversifying sometimes. Besides, I've not argued for a deal solely based on prospects.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 06:27 PM) My point is you can have the greatest collection of assets in the world, and it doesn't mean you are winning a single game. i think the point you are making is persnickety, considering my argument as a whole, but fair enough.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 25, 2014 -> 06:25 PM) I want the Mike Stanton of two years ago, or the Mike Trout of a year or two ago as the centerpiece type piece of a deal for Chris Sale. Bryant may qualify in a year or two, but as of today, no. I think you're setting the bar a bit high...but that's just my opinion.