BearSox

no, not really.

QUOTE(AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 03:17 PM) Ha! Murton can't even break an aging outfield of Jones and Flyod. What does that tell you? The only reason why Murton isn't starting for them is cause they are paying Floyd and Jones so much money.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 01:24 PM) Ian Stewart is a member of the Rockies organization. I meant Kennedy.

scott linebrink is going to get a huge deal by some team, and suck for them.

QUOTE(SoxFan77 @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 01:23 PM) My question.. Who did the Yankees get from the Tiggers in the Shef Deal? Humberto Sanchez.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/c...&id=2742549 more info if you don't believe me.

QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 01:04 PM) Not from what I've heard. Outside of Hughes, who do they have? Joba Chamberlin, Ian Stewart, Jose Tabatha, Dellin Betances, Brett Gardner, Eric Duncan, etc. Their farm system is loaded, especially compared to ours.

I just don't care anymore...

who's going down to make room for Floyd? over/under on Pods back to the DL?

Gio's going to be a 1 or 2... I'm calling it now. If him and DLS can pan out, we have a bright future for our rotation.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 10:28 AM) Pelfrey's value is a lot less now than it was tihs off-season so you could get him, but not for Iguchi alone. Iguchi and Contreras could be enough to get one of Pelfrey/Milledge. and if we could get Pelfry for just Jose and Iguchi, where can I sign up? I personally see Pelfry as a solid bullpen arm if he can't develop another pitch to be an effective starter.

QUOTE(knightni @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 12:25 PM) No one of value should be going to the Yankees. 1) They are as bad off as the Sox. 2) Their minors suck. 3) Garland is too good to give up to the Evil Empire. If you have to trade JG, trade him to the NL. The Yankees have one of the best farm systems in all of baseball.

I would have really liked to have seen Wilder get the scouting job. He seems pretty respected and highly regarded around in baseball. IIRC, he was a front runner for the Boston GM job a while back. What would you guys think of Hahn as the GM?

QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 09:20 AM) in addition its also extremely rare that a guy throws lefty, but bats righty.....it happens often that a guy will throw righty and bat lefty, but the reverse is very rare.....randy johnson is one and i think someone on the astros like jason lane or someone yeah, usually pitchers throw lefty but bat righty... which is bad if they get in their throwing shoulder.

The whole scouting department sucks. I just hate the fact that the org replaced him with someone they fired before and has had worse drafts!

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 05:08 AM) Prior to this season, he's had 3 years in a row where he's posted ops' over .800. If he gets consistant ab's I see no reason why he wouldn't be able to post a + .800 ops for a season. Yes he has his weaknesses, but with as many holes as this team has, if you can find a productive bat for a middle reliever then you have to do so. EDIT: Actually, in 05 he posted a .796 ops, my bad. Still very solid. If we are going to bring in Wily Mo why not just give Terrero a shot then? Since both are the same age and both very raw and just need "playingtime".

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 05:12 AM) I know absolutely what you're talking about. Quite frankly, peripherals and talent aside, Thornton isn't guaranteed to be a good reliever long term. Unlike a Damaso Marte or even JC Romero, he hasn't had multiple good seasons out of the bullpen, much less a dominant season, and he turns 31 in September. The next time the Sox will be fairly competitive will very likely be atleast 2009, or more likely, 2010 or 2011. If you can capitalize on his value right now and acquire a potential .800-.900 OPS player (very dependent upon a year to year basis due to terrible patience at the plate) who will be a very solid bat in the outfield right now, you do it. During time period when the Sox will return to competitiveness, Thornton will be between the ages of 33 and 35, and a reliever who throws very hard right now is not really something I want to count on going towards the future. And, if you give him up during spring training of next year, you are going to get a Joe Borchard type player. I guarantee you he'd make the team because of his contract and stuff, but success isn't guaranteed, and if has two bad years in a row you can count on getting much less than you would now. If I can move him for a high ceiling player in A ball that a team is willing to give up, or I can move him for a Wily Mo Pena who, at the very least, is almost assured of being a solid player for me, I do it in a second and don't look back. You are not going to get a top prospect for Thornton, and getting a starting player who still has a very high ceiling and is quite young at 25 (26 next season) is almost more than you can ask for. If KW can get Pena out of Thornton, I'd absolutely love the deal. Tell me though, you and BearSox; if you are going to trade Thornton, what would you expect in return? You can't expect a package of players nor a great prospect for him; if you think you can, you'll never move him and you'll lose him to free agency or DFA without ever receiving any type of compensation for him. If you can get a high ceiling A ball prospect, you could very easily get a star player, albeit he won't turn into a star until 4-6 years down the line, and if you get Wily Mo, you get a starter now and a potential superstar if he can ever learn how to draw a walk. With the way this organization develops relievers, and seeing how KW can pick up bullpen arms on the cheap, it'd almost be a crime not to. You got a good year and a half out of Thornton in the pen; it's now time to see if Vasquez or perhaps even someone like Paulino Reynoso can do something. In the mean time, the Sox are turning Joe Borchard, Mr. LTP who couldn't do anything else, into Wily Mo Pena who has a very solid bat and could turn into an absolute monster in the near future. I'll put it simple. I wouldn't trade Thornton unless a team made a great offer for him, and I doubt a team will. I know this statement is overused, but Thornton has pitched better this year then his numbers have indicated, and I hate the idea of trading lefties who can bring the heat. Like dasox said, if continues to suck this year and into ST next yeat then cut ties with him. I'd rather see the team take a risk and see if Thornton can become solid relief pitcher once again rather then trade him for some "raw" talent, which would be a risk as well.

QUOTE(GoSox05 @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 09:36 AM) I dont know why the Sox are so opposed to trading Garland. Hes gone after next year and he isnt giving the Sox a home discount. how the hell do you know?

Wily Mo Pena doesn't excite me at all. He has good power potential, but thats all. If he give up anything real good for him, I won't be very pleased.

QUOTE(dasox24 @ Jul 23, 2007 -> 11:07 PM) If Porcello doesn't sign, will everyone still be pissed we didn't draft him? Yeah, the Tigers will get an additional 1st rounder next year if they don't sign him, so it won't be a total loss for them. But for us, we need as much talent in the minors as we can get, so I don't believe we were in a position to not have a 1st round caliber draftee this year. Btw, I don't think we would have taken a chance on Griffith if we nabbed Porcello. I'm still pissed. This organization clearly has the money to be able to sign him, just not the balls to do so. And if he didn't sign, then we would get the extra pick next year. Call me crazy but I ain't getting to excited about Poreda, a 21 year old out of college, doing "good" in lower level rookie ball. On top of it all, he is experience arm problems.

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Jul 23, 2007 -> 10:11 PM) Second baseman that throws with the left hand? Or that his first name is Jesus? you'd have to be jesus to be able to play 2B while being lefthanded...

QUOTE(Shadows @ Jul 23, 2007 -> 04:36 PM) Haha, so its being on a bandwagon to want a guy who has been pretty damn good for this month thus far to not get sent down? I am not saying he is a badass who will be our leadoff hitter next year, but why would we send him down when he has come back up and is actually producing? And its not very good for your anti Owens talk if you don't even understand how he has played this month.. One week eh? I'm not anti-owens, I just think he's garbage.

QUOTE(spataro51 @ Jul 23, 2007 -> 04:26 PM) Why in the heck would we deal danks? He is under are control for 5 more years and he is a damn good lefty that is still developing. If i had to choose i would dump garland because no way in hell is he going to give us a nice hometown discount like Mb did. John is waiting to go pitch out west. How the hell do you know? Afterall, he did sign a nice extension for us when he could have easily gotten more in free agency the next season. And from what I have heard about Jon is that he likes Chicago and I have never heard anything of him wanting to go sign out west like how Buehrle wanted to go to St. Louis. Second off, you don't "dump" Garland. You trade him if the right deal comes by, not just to get rid of him so Broadway can come up and take his spot.

QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jul 23, 2007 -> 04:12 PM) I'd probably deal Danks or even more so Garland if we could get a package including Young, certainly if we could get Quentin or Jackson in the deal also. We'll probably come out looking like idiots if we deal Charlie. Move Broadway and Phillips for pretty much anything of value. Phillips yeah, but why would we move Broadway for the sake of moving him?

I want Matt Antonelli from the Pads in any deal.