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QUOTE(winodj @ Sep 3, 2005 -> 09:11 PM) I'm not saying you're wrong but the primary responsibility for an evacuation of a federal disaster area lies with FEMA. And being too poor to leave means walking 60 miles in 24 hours to relative safety. Is that something you could have done? Looking at the maps, more than 60 miles and into spun off tornadoes. Looking at the survival hierarchy, shelter and the ability to regulate your body temperature is #1 after stopping bleeding, etc. Leaving shelter to head out into an impending storm, may not be the smartest move either. Riding it out in your home may be smarter in some situations. With the hindsight of the levees breaking, it was not. Putting it into local terms, if a hurricane is about to hit, walking from Chicago to Rosemont, with the probability of tornadoes, doesn't seem like the obvious or safest path.

All I can say for certainty is this was not our finest hour in responding to people in need. It seems like everyone was stunned at first. As much as I dislike Presidential grandstanding and photo ops, Bush needed to be visible and displaying some of the confidence we've seen in other situations. For whatever reason, and we can argue those reasons forever, he just doesn't seem interested.

QUOTE(KipWellsFan @ Sep 3, 2005 -> 12:40 PM) bmags and reddy are officially part of the radical left I'll move over, we can always make a little more room

I think I know why Bush was so slow in reacting. His first briefing was titled NO Hurricane Victims So he assumed there were no victims.

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From my good friend George Clooney (am I on enough mailing lists?)

Queen, why isn't this in the sports bar?

QUOTE(NUKE_CLEVELAND @ Sep 3, 2005 -> 06:24 AM) You make it sound soooooo easy APU. You make it seem like George Bush could just snap his fingers and make all the pain go away. You make it seem like its George Bush's fault that the levies all failed. What did we elect him to do? Isn't he suppose to provide leadership in these types of emergencies? Sorry Nuke, I'd be leveling this if it was a Dem, Ind, or Rep. Our entire government, including the one man who can make decisions that will not be overturned, was slow in responding. And he found time for a fund raiser. :headshake If that was a Dem, you would be leading the impeachment charge. I believe that's far worse than renting the Lincoln bedroom. Again, I ask, what did we elect him to do?

FWIW, and I'm not getting into a racial debate here. I live in an area where I am a distinct minority and spend time wearing the shoes of a minority. I also worked in Mexico for several years. Last count this area is about 85% Hispanic. If you are a white, middle class, and male, you really do not have a good base to understand racism in this country. Many of the blacks who are feeling the government isn't doing as much for them are intelligent, educated, people such as ourselves. They are not always fringe radicals. When volunteers, soldiers, or other workers enter a neighborhood that they would never, ever, enter before the storm, they will feel and act differently than if they were back in their comfort zone. That's human nature. People sense that. It wasn't that long ago we had segregated restrooms, segregated swimming pools, hell we have people alive today, that were the sons and daughters of slaves. The memories are alive and well. There are still many barriers in this country. 40 years after King's I have a dream speech, look at the top 500 CEOs and it's a sea of old white guys with a couple self made minorities. Look at the portraits of out Presidents and it's a sea of old white guys. Look at the wealthiest Americans and it's a sea of white. I'm not saying we haven't come a long, long way in the 40 years since the Civil Rights movement. But a magic wand didn't erase the history, a magic wand didn't erase the fear some people have of being in the wrong neighborhood. A magic wand didn't erase the uncomfortable feeling of being around people different than ourselves. Is this effecting the relieve efforts? Maybe on a small individual scale. Would the people in say Lake Forest, IL. receive better and faster relief? I bet they would, because they have Senators and other elected officials phone numbers loaded in the cell phones. Mr. Moore and Mr. West can kiss my ass for one thing, if it were their butts sitting on a roof, they would be rescued faster than a family in NO, because they too enjoys the improved government services of having connections. Look how Fats Domino missing made the news. I believe poverty, more than race, are behind any delays that may or may not be happening.

QUOTE(Queen Prawn @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 10:15 PM) I had my trusty Carolina Hurricanes hat on while working out today. I kept getting these funny looks. I didn't even think about "that" when I grabbed that hat to wear today (it is usually between that and my Florida Everblades hat). One summer long ago, or so it seemed, I arrived at the boat ramp / bait shop without my trusty fishing cap. I grabbed an Indians cap off the rack, it reminded me of youth baseball when I played on the "Indians". I had a good day, and continued to wear that cap. One day, the shop owner, knowing I was a Sox fan, the stickers on my boat may have tipped him off, asked me how I could be so cold and callous to the Indians suffering. I was very confused until I realized I was buzzing around in my bass boat wearing and Indians cap, right after a couple of their pitchers died in a boating accident.

Larry, I hope you don't mind but I passed it on to an old friend of mine from college. It doesn't necessarily fit Joan's voice, but she may have an idea or two. Joan "not my maiden name" Hammel

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 07:22 PM) 29 babies were taken from N.O.. hospitals and moved to Baton Rouge hospitals. They're all doing fine. The is the ONLY piece of good news I've heard about this tragedy. I just heard an interview with a mother whose 3 week old infant was in a NO hospital, now she cannot find her baby and officials can not tell her anything. :headshake I would be out of my mind and possibly shooting at helicopters if my baby was missing and no one could get me an answer to where they evacuated a hospital to. How can you not keep track of a hospital?

A dude has to eat . . . I like some of the changes I had a job in the great northwest Working at Starbucks for a spell But I loved that coffee all too much And one day the ax just fell. So I drifted down to New Orleans Where I happened to be employed Workin' for a while on a fishin' boat Right outside of Delacroix. But all the while I was alone The past was close behind, I seen a lot of women But she never escaped my mind, and I just grew Tangled up in blue.

Hey Mayor why didn't you deploy the buses before the storm during the evacuation?

QUOTE(Reddy @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 05:59 PM) i really hope that's superimposed btw i dont think anyone should be knocking the mayor - he's been working his ass off. the others - yes they should be verbally raped, but not the mayor. listen to the soundbytes, you'll agree right, how could anyone cry with the President singing to them

QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 05:14 PM) I'd like to sing you a little song that my dear friend YASY wrote last night and posted oj Soxtalk To the tune of "The City of New Orleans" by Steve Goodman: Praying for the City of New Orleans, Hammered by that damned ol' hurricane If the wind and rain wasn't bad enough, The levee broke and in poured Ponchatrain. All in the southland jewel we knew The water keeps on coming through Rising up over houses, cars and stores. Flooding sites with well known names, Bourbon Street's flooded just the same So's the gravesite of old Marie Laveau. Please help us America, Where are you? Don't forget us we're your native sons, We are dying in The City of New Orleans, Another five hundred gone when the day is done. Suffling along with the old folks and the children. Where we going? Ain't no one got a clue. Dragging plastic bags holding our possessions Oh Lord, tell us, what're we gonna do?. Well, the cops are flat out helpless And the politicians too While ruthless gangs rob, rape, kill and steal. Mothers with their babes a-dying, While ducking all the bullets flying Thirsty scared and hungry is all we feel. Please help us America, Where are you? Don't forget us we're your native sons, We are dying in The City of New Orleans, Another five hundred gone when the day is done. Nighttime in The City of New Orleans, There's no future here that I can see. Way it's goin', we'll be dead by morning This Louisiana nightmare it seems, will be the death of me. And all I saw today seems To fade into a bad dream And those in charge still ain't got a clue. The president spouts his crap again, The refugees will keep on dyin'. This place's got the disappear-in-history blues. So tell us, America, Where were you? You forsaked us, each and every one. I'm the place they called The City of New Orleans, But after two hundred years or so, I'm gone.

Nice sound bite Jesse. I doubt someone who is trapped in their attic gives a rip what color the rescuer or the leadership is. Meanwhile, out in the country Linked here

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 02:52 PM) I miss all of the Ken Griffey talk. Do you think we could get him on board the SL&P section of the board? Or are we just not allowed to draft him in any way? I mean, I'm willing to make a few phone calls to see if he could come on over to our board and post. I can think of a few posters I would be willing to trade. Can't get him but how about McGruff the crime dog?

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 02:35 PM) O.K., I stand corrected on his being the first to use the race issue. I apologize for being wrong. But Moore is still an ass. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong, just pointing out this happens from the very first rain drops. Race is always the undercurrent of all things in this society. Some citizens will tell you, with 100% certainty in their convictions, that if those were white people on their roofs, help would have come sooner. Some citizens will tell you, again with 100% certainty in their convictions, that if those were white people on their roofs, help would have come in the same amount of time. Sadly some would also say that white people wouldn't have shot at helicopters, would have evacuated, would not have looted, and all sorts of nonsense like that.

I've heard of more problems with private deals than dealerships, although obviously there are good and bad deals from both. Turned back odometers, temporary repairs, etc. Be smart and do your research and add up all the payments.

QUOTE(Steff @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 02:31 PM) If he could only find a way to do so without being such a s***. Then he would be an anonymous hack without and audience :headshake

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 02:27 PM) And there it is. Thanks for being the first person to bring race into this Mike. You self-serving piece of s***. Nope, that's been happening for a couple days. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...0102305_pf.html http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/02/bla...s.ap/index.html

I really dislike it when someone with an obvious extreme political agenda actually has some decent ammunition to fire. He does do a nice job of listing what happened. It just doesn't seem fair to blame Bush this much for the problem. But much like Bilandic had his snow storm, Bush has this. I now have a better understanding of those 3rd world relief efforts and how a small number of citizens make things worse for the majority.

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ Sep 2, 2005 -> 11:57 AM) Oh, and I walked out of any dealership whose first question to me was What color do you want. Ummmmm, let's see do you have the sedan in a lovely f*** off? Good for you. now little lady let me show you something you really should know how to use

Dear James, Imagine surviving a terrible storm like Katrina and then having nowhere to go home. The Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Red Cross are scrambling to find shelter for the displaced. At least 80,000 people are competing for area shelters, and countless more are in motels, cars, or wherever they can stay out of the elements. Our fellow Americans need help and they need somewhere to go. Yesterday, Moveon.org Civic Action launched an emergency project to help hurricane victims in desperate need of a place to stay. Today, the johnkerry.com community is joining in this vitally important neighbor-helping-neighbor effort. http://www.hurricanehousing.org Housing is most urgently needed within reasonable driving distance (about 300 miles) of the affected areas in the Southeast, especially New Orleans. Many members of our community have already generously responded to the call for emergency donations to the American Red Cross and other charities working on the ground to help people whose lives have been torn apart. Now, we have still another way to help. Please forward this message to anyone you know in the region who might be able to help. Tens of thousands of people whose lives and homes have been devastated now face the daunting question of where to go next -- and we can reach out to them. We are joining this emergency national housing drive to connect empty beds with hurricane victims who desperately need a place to wait out the storm. If you can offer help, the process is simple: * You can sign up to become a host by posting a description of whatever housing you have available, along with contact information. You can change or remove your offer at any time. * Hurricane victims, local and national relief organizations, friends and relatives can search the site for housing. Many shelters actually already have Internet access, but folks without 'net access can still make use of the site through case workers and family members. * Hurricane victims or relief agencies will contact hosts and together decide if it's a good match and make the necessary travel arrangements. The host's address is not released until a particular match is agreed on. If hosting doesn't work for you, please consider donating to the Red Cross to help with the enormous tasks of rescue and recovery. You can give online at: Donate to the Red Cross This is a time for America to come together. And today, two of the largest and most active online communities in the nation -- Moveon.org Civil Action and johnkerry.com -- are working side-by-side to help in any way we can. There are thousands of families who have just lost everything and need a place to stay dry. Let's do what we can to help. http://www.hurricanehousing.org Thanks for being there for families in urgent need of your immediate help. Please keep the people of the Gulf Coast in your thoughts and prayers. Sincerely, John Kerry