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Exactly. From both sides. The owners want the players to be loyal and work for less, the players want the owners to be loyal and show "respect" (Player to English dictionary lists respect = money) and of course everyone wants the fans to be loyal. Alomar and Kelly are gone. No one complains about owner loyalty. If the team wanted either one to stay we would be hearing some crap about the players being loyal and staying.

Makes it hard to sign free agents. At least we've been able to keep Frank Thomas smiling every year and happy as hell with the organization and his contracts. I am certain no one here would get their feelings hurt if they knew their boss was trying to get rid of them. Imagine not knowing where you would be living that season? Which schools your kids would be going to? Should you sign a new lease, buy that home? I know they are well compensated, but with all that money comes some real s***ty stuff. I remember how stressful my relocation was, and I had options. Basically being told by your boss that they thnk they can do better wthout you and you may have to move and work for a different company, must really suck. I am just thankful he didn't accept that last Sox offer. We already have a great DH, and if he's slowed or worse, it would have been a mess.

I'm with you there. Plus, seriously who are you going to believe, Best Buy or a guy who sold the monitor to a friend, taped a brick to a board, and tried to scam Best Buy?

Devil Rays never won a world series Marlins 2 WS wins both since the Sox last. Pirates 5 WS wins, 4 after the Sox, none since 1979 Brewers None under Brewers name Tigers 4 WS all after the Sox Expos No world series wins Diamondbacks 2001 WS Champs Yankees 26 WS wins, all after the Sox Angels 2002 WS win Southsider is correct. Until baseball gets serious about fixing the sport, the haves will be perennial playoff teams and the half nots will dream. To be competitive, Chicago needs one team to leave and the city to support the others. I don't see either team leaving.

Steff, Find a cardiologist you trust. Follow his advice. Diet and exercise will be priority one. The heart is not something that should be taken lightly. Take this as a warning sign and keep it from getting worse.

Homeless Iraq Vets

Two in a row for White. And a National Championship Title.

One of my favorites. Always seemed to give 100%, nice to everyone, I don't know what got him in KW's dog house, but it seems he really did. Being a nice guy doesn't get you far in baseball.

greedy bastard wants to keep playing

The miracle of modern pharmaceuticals. I hate to see on honest man's accomplishments be replaced by someone who, while possibly not directly breaking the current rules, broke the law in his quest for power and fame. You cannot separate size and ability. Artificially substituting size is as wrong as artificially sacrificing ability. If somehow any big guy could be given artificial help in putting the bat on the ball, would that be fair?

The sad thing is that the football team makes a huge profit for the University. Not just in TV and attendance but in donations, and other contributions. When your team is top ranked more money flows in from happy Alumni. . There is no way to get the cat back in the bag.

I just heard the interview. They are looking for him to catch 50-60 games. If there #1 goes down, they will not be counting on Sandy for 120 games. I'll miss him. I always thought he gave 100%, was good to the organization, always fair, nice to fans. I cannot think of anything he failed to do as a good employee. I guess just being good to someone isn't enough to win loyalty in baseball. I guess I wil have to change my profile, Sandy was listed as my favorite Sox player.

I guess he thought homosexuals do not read.

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Not everyone would be happy. We never can have everyone happy $11 million is too much to pay one player is some people's minds. Based on a $70 Mil Payroll. It seems to me that the players union has the upper hand in this. I cannot believe a player's ability to refuse is because he felt like it. I assume that was what was negotiated. I also find it hard that the owners allowed such a (from how this looks) messed up system. I would also assume the team could have placed a clause involving health into their offer. If that isn't the case, then this is even more messed up.

I tell kids who have worked for me "If you cannot be successful as a waiter, how the hell do you think you'll be successful as a lawyer?" Is being a lawyer easier? Some get it, some don't. Do your best at everything. Develop great habits, and success comes in whatever you are doing.

Pretty cool. My guess it was a family member of the murderer who couldn't sleep at night.

Not a good gamble with anything less than a $150 million payroll. With the current plans to not work out, I see a low base and a lot of incentives. You know teams are going to be using this example for a long time about not accepting an offer. I wonder if he has an umbrella career ending insurance policy? Some protection that allowed him to take a lesser gamble. This looks like the ultimate loss.

Which is why I say we are very lucky he didn't accepted the last offer. I wonder if in arbitration the arbitor could take into account the knee surgeries and maybe we could have had him for the lesser number? Any team that makes him an offer better be very careful. I'd want clauses as to number of games played, games played in the OF, and as incentive laden as I could get. If I was a talentless team, I'd stay away. Someone like the Yankees who could absorb a mistake, might take a chance. Not a good fit for a team trying to make the playoffs twice in the same decade.

You are correct, I wouldn't either. I also wouldn't work out for a team I have no plans in signing with. Steff, maybe you feel a moral or ethical obligated to anyone who may make you an offer. I never accepted every interview, didn't expect someone to accept every interview, and never expected any information beyond what was necessary for the employee to do his or her job. In this case everyone knew the status. He cannot play. I guess he could have shown up to prove what everyone already agreed to, but why?

For *this* contract The Team said he can't play, they filed paperwork with the league. The Player said he can't play The Doctors said he can't play Who is asking for a physical? Who is saying he can play during this last contract? Everyone agreed. Everyone knew what the status was. He was done for that contract. There was no dispute from the White Sox on his ability or in this case inability to perform his job. The only reason to have a physical was to prove he *could* play in 2005. Since the WS did not have him under contract for 2005, why should they be entitled to a physical? Why can't the player say, I am not interested in an offer from you, and will not take a physical? He is under no obligation to even consider an offer from any team. Using Steff's analogy, You were under contract to type until 12/31/04 and were injured and couldn't finish the contract. Your contract calls for you to be paid until 12/31/04. Your employer, yourself, and your Doctors all agree typing anymore during this contract is impossible. Would you be obligated to prove you could type after 12/31/04? For what purpose? People aren't cattle. How evasive of procedures should the player be obligated to? We want to cut open your knee and see what the Doctor did? We want you to do 500 squats? The guy wants out of Chicago. everything he has done since the last off season has pointed in that direction. Adios. Thanks for the effort, thanks for the memories, and above all, thanks for turning down that last offer. Someone who thinks he should have a physical finish this statement Mr.. Ordonez, we want you to take a physical by our Doctor to determine . . ." and have it apply to something in his current contract that wasn't already agreed to.

I agree that would be nice. Even if it didn't prevent him from doing his job? He was already out for the season. The team agreed. Hey boss, I have a knee injury, I'm getting it taken care of. I agree 100% if he was under contract for next season. But his playing days in that contract were over. Unless his contract expressly said you must lift weights everyday, etc, I don't see where everyone wasn't aware of his ability to play. They agreed he couldn't play. How often during the season did we here the team had no idea what Frank's rehabbing was going? He's under contract and they pretty much only new what the press told them through Frank. I cannot believe the basic contract, or any players contract would allow for a soon to be former team to have a look see on a player. Why isn't the team suing if he violated his contract?

He realized to get the deficit over $7 Trillion, he needed to drastically increase spending and cut income. He also needed more votes for re-election. Interesting, if he said here's $1,300 from the Bush Family Dynasty (BFD) that would be illegal. If he says here's $1,300 from the US treasury, we'll go borrow more from France to pay for it, that is legal. I just discovered the major difference in the parties. The Dems buy you a gift with your money, the GOP gives you a gift card with your money and let's you pick out the gift Be good Republicans and balance the budget. Please.

And here I am My only comment is I feel sorry for the President's publicity team. They sure picked a winner there. What were the odds of that?? There are bad people in all walks of life. He could just as easily been a carpenter or a NBA HoF guard. I would say that this Minister was in that field of work for the wrong reasons. Most are good decent men who want to change lives. One of my very best friends is a youth Minister. Not a lot of money and a lot of angst and hardship. It's a calling.