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Obviously other things are more important as I mentioned. But as you noted, it's either luck or toxic environment. I lean towards toxic environment. The likelihood of someone bringing a toxic environment vibe with them seems more likely from someone coming from a losing environment. Again, plenty of other factors to consider. But keep bringing in everyone from managers to players from losing organizations doesn't seem to be working.

Would you say "expecting to lose" is a toxic environment? While I don't value it over most other stats, it seems like winning is a cultural thing and players coming from winning programs bring "luck".

And there's sending out your resume and finding another job before that happens. In most industries it's easier to get a job when you have a job. Maybe baseball is different?

I don't believe anyone thought he was *the* problem. He was *a* problem and easy enough to remove.

It didn't work out for the team. It didn't work out for him. Best of luck in the future. Perhaps the Savannah Bananas need a manager for the visitors?

Perhaps for some fans. I think many of the million plus that will go to games just want some entertainment value for their money. They aren't really as invested in the past or the future as are folks here.

It seems crazy to think they could be worse. Yet, it's totally possible. If today there was an over under at 45 wins, I'm not certain which way I would go.

JD Souther. https://www.mlive.com/news/2024/09/musician-who-wrote-hits-for-eagles-other-stars-dies-at-78.html?outputType=amp Hit making machine.

I agree. If it's a bad deal for the taxpayer it's probably a bad deal for private investors. As much as I'd like to see the fans and players in a new park, I just can't see Illinois being in a position to gift a stadium.

True. I wonder why any of them stayed long enough to get fired? Isn't it odd that people voluntarily stay?

I wonder if the number to approve a move is the same as the number to approve to expand? Simple majority? Super majority? It would be interesting if a small group of owners could wag the dog in that regard.

The As have moved about three or four times. I wonder if anyone has tracked how those moves affected the rest of the league? Another consideration. Would Illinois and the city have more political capital to spend on a new stadium for a post Sox move expansion franchise? Wouldn't that be a kick in JRs balls? He moves and the state builds a new stadium for the new team. I almost like that scenario. I prefer the JR sells and immediately after the deal closes a new stadium is announced scenario.

I'm shocked the Sox attendance has been as great as it is. I would hope the other owners would consider attendance versus how bad the experience is and protect the Chicago fans.

I'm thinking 2028 or so and on. Multiple years of bottom five attendance (justifiably so and self induced), and no give away the bank from a cash strapped state. 50-50 seems fair.

How sure are you? At best I'm maybe 66% they would block. Emotionally I'm 50-50 or worse.

I think the only debatable point is would the owners block him from moving? I would like to think so but I'm pessimistic when it comes to rich people with their toys and not screwing over the regular folks.

It seems like owners won't block another owner from doing something they themselves may wish to do later. We all agree JR runs the team for his ego and making bad business decisions in regards to the team is practically his trademark. He would rather be wrong on his terms than right in the eyes of fans. He doesn't take kindly to no. Finally, could attendance and ratings decline to a point where he could say fans in Chicago aren't currently supporting the team. Summary: We agree he doesn't care about fans. He constantly screws this up. He wants things his way. It's it that far fetched for the sob to move the team against all reason?

So if we are upgrading to attract better free agents, where would ballpark renovations come into play? We're playing in one of the oldest parks. I wonder if our facilities are below average, average, above average? It's a part we never really hear about. I assume JR had figured out how to get taxpayers to upgrade the locker rooms to keep up with modern standards.

Lol It would be just like JR to buy a 737 MAX on a steep discount. Here you go guys, barely used. Who can pass on a great deal?

Or more to my point, I don't want to hear him complain about his playing time, either too much or too little. If he wants to apologize, that would be a bonus.

And Esteban Loaiza. It seemed like there were a few more that he worked some magic on. Besides presumably generally below average coaching, when the GM constantly dumpster dives hoping for turnarounds and miracles you'll be eating a lot of garbage as the coach. @southsider2k5 mentioned in another thread that we have developed some lefty starters. That could be the player's talent exceed our ability to hold them back.

No. And I think they probably have an older plane than most teams. I think they need to have something better than average in every area. I also believe the Airbus is a nice plane with doors that stay on. But that's beside my main point: I'm just not interested in anyone involved in the worst season in baseball history to open their mouth to say anything but apologize to the fans.

Has he ever publicly discussed his reasons? I know it's tough to leave a place you put down roots, and the Chicagoland area is a great place to live and raise a family. And to piggyback on a post prior, I want to hear apologies from this organization not excuses and whining. I'm not apologizing to anyone past or recently present in the organization.

He didn't quit and we didn't quit. He's gone and we're still here.

Exactly. Sox fans have always supported the team when it's worth supporting.