Texsox

Let's start an all-time list of players who have refused to play because of the jersey 1. Chris Sale Anyone know of anyone else? In the history of sports?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 12:57 PM) The organization already pays the employees. The money from the players is for the food and tips, but it's not mandatory they do this. I'm not sure if the results are that there is no food for the sox players next time they come to town but the players are under no obligation to pay. There is usually a standing order or a player rep contacts the clubhouse manager to order the food the players want. it's just standard practice. Which was fine 50 years ago when the players rode buses and made workingmen salaries. Now we have millionaires riding in private planes. Feed the players. They don't have to make their own plane reservations, why bother with food like this? Hey guys we're in Texas who wants Whataburger?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) You're a very smart guy and successful professional and I've noticed you have strong feelings about this. In the final analysis you are probably right. I have taken the side of Sale on this, assuming he didn't wield the knife near any other human being, just ripped up the uniforms. I will say if Sale had just torn up his uniform and refused to pitch, that would have been more effective. He would have had the hammer of public opinion on his side: "Cy Young candidate doesn't feel comfortable in collared throwback jersey, does not want to risk health of his arm and performance, refused to pitch.' That would have really embarrassed the Sox. Sale should have thought this through. Just destroying his own uniform or throwing it in the trash without a knife incident would have made him a hero. Hey no billion dollar pitcher should risk his arm health if he's not motivated to pitch that day. I guess you are right in whipping out a knife like a madman by the letter of employment law might warrant a suspension. I wish Sale had done it the other way though to embarrass the White Sox. I really feel it is a horrible organizaion. Now everyone take Sale's side so Greg switches This is right up there with Koufax refusing to pitch on the sabbath.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 12:41 PM) This is where the focus should be. Not only did he cost us a start, but he destroyed our bullpen for the time being, which have seen ripple across the last two days of forcing the pen into a really bad situation and forcing guys to be unavailable to do their normal jobs. If Chris Sale doesn't get that you wear the promotional jersey on a promotional day, I'm not sure what else there really is to explain to the guy. This should be about the most obvious thing ever. If your boss tells you to wear something to work, you wear it. Period. Agreed. Compare this to the "problem" that Jordan had during the Olympics. Puma (iirc) was the uniform sponsor. Rather than be photographed wearing Puma gear, Jordan wrapped himself in an American flag. I wish I could give Sale the benefit of a doubt and say there probably was other things bothering him and this was the outlet. Dunn went a season with extra stress we only learned later. So maybe he's having other issues besides the bullpen blowing wins for him and a uniform that isn't comfortable.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 12:32 PM) And I thought you were a teacher... Now if the players want to buy me a beer and a hotdog . . .

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 12:31 PM) Seriously. How this is even a thing is beyond me. It's an opportunity to complain about the organization and Robin during a frustrating season. If the team was winning, in the race, and Sale missed a start because he didn't like the uniform he'd be the one getting attacked for not being a team player and hurting *our* chances to win the division.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 12:19 PM) The laundry falls under the entire same system. The scenario is a little different. It's against the law to not pay the waitress. The players to not have to pay here. The players do it to give big tips to the clubbies while understanding that a portion goes to paying for the food. In this case the players tipped the clubbies directly instead of giving it to the clubhouse manager to distribute. It's just a pain to have to find them individually. The article states they pay $50 per day for food PLUS tip. Again, this seems so antiquated. Management pays players so they can pay management's other employees. "I'm going to pay you $200,000 per year. But *you* will pay the IT guy that supports you and the cleaning lady. The company isn't responsible for their salaries. And this is part of a multiple billion dollar organization?!

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 12:22 PM) It doesn't really matter. A 20 something year old man shouldn't act like that. There is nothing management should need to do to keep someone from acting like this. It is on him and him alone. He can be mad about it but no one should ever act like this. I'm trying to decide at what age it is appropriate to act this way.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 02:01 AM) Bernie got screwed so badly the Democrats should be happy he wasn't on the attack during his speech. It's criminal what was done to him by his own party. Cruel. I have no idea why the DNC fixed it for Hillary. Every speaker at the Democratic convention gets high grades. It's the way the analysts roll. This is the time of year they amp it up to make sure Hillary wins in a landslide. OMG the reviews of her speech are going to be "Best speech ever." "Hillary Clinton is one of the finest speakers to ever grace a convention floor. What a speech! Historic (cue tears)." It's easy to predict rave reviews for her speech because she is the best speaker I have heard during this campaign. Powerful. Engaging. It's like predicting critics will love the next Robert Downey or Leo DiCaprio movie. It's not a conspiracy. She alone can bring America together. The Dems have done a great job of pulling together the best and brightest in America and who are effective in sharing their message. Most everyone can see that Hillary is clearly what America needs now. Thankfully the DNC also realized that and helped where they could. Of course the RNC tried to steal the nomination from Trump, as he correctly alleged. His supporters only grew stronger and more resolved until he was locked in. So here's the game. The RNC has to deal with the guy they didn't want and the DNC get's their candidate. Game. Set. Match. Democrats. Sorry Greg, you are losing this one. Kansas may want to succeed.

No matter what Robin did posters here would say it was wrong.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 11:39 AM) Part of it is the management arbitrarily saying that 60% goes to the management for food and only 40% stays in the clubhouse.They may think thats a little light and management it sticking their nose in a players transaction. I'm also sure that the players do care who pays and orders the food as again its a clubhouse activity and it should all stay there. I'm not saying it's necessarily right but from being in the clubhouses, the players get very protective of the clubbies I'm not certain it is arbitrary. It may have been about the amount of the food invoices. It seems like an antiquated system that needs an overhaul. I wonder if the laundry works the same way? Do the players pay someone to do wash their uniforms? And what about this angle? I finish dinner at a restaurant and ask the waitress about her pay. I don't like the answer so I refuse to pay my bill.

Management should be out of the tips. Management should be in the procurement of the food and paying salaries and setting workplace rules. Which is what the M's seem to be trying to do. Why should the player's care who pays the food vendor? Using the restaurant analogy your waiter would be buying the food from a vendor, paying the bus boy, paying the bartender, etc.

Here's an idea if they do make the change. Touchdowns result in the ball starting on the 20, field goals on the 30 or even 35.

Not in Texas. I wonder how many states have adopted that rule?

MJ has public relations down to a science. He just always nails the right thing at the right moment. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2...nce/87527386/44

He's gaining my vote

QUOTE (Baseball palace of world @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 10:58 AM) I was really looking forward to seeing the old uniforms. Does anyone know if they were planning to wear the white pants or blue pants with those jerseys? Either way it would have been cool. Kinda partial to the all blue but those were the road uniforms. Also I really hope this doesn't stop them from wearing the uniforms again. Yeah they are bad but they are the first uniforms I saw the sox wear. Welcome to Soxtalk!

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) Welcome to pro union Chicagoland. It's always the fault of the boss and management! I think it is more universal than that. We cheer the players. The club promotes players.

Sale acted like a toddler having a fit in the store because his mommy wouldn't buy him candy. The club had the backbone to send him home. Sometimes the hero fails and the evil empire wins. This is one of those times.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) The clubhouse manager is employed by the club and is the representative of the club handling all of this. What does it matter if its the assistant GM or the clubhouse manager running it, from the legal standpoint? The Sox players just want it to remain status quo and to be sure that the money atays in the clubhouse and that management isn't going to do something unfair. Of course there is no guarantee that the clubhouse manager isn't doing the same thing. However, the players would be more likely to hear about from the clubbies if this were the case. From the sound of it the clubhouse manager has employees, some are underage kids, on "his" payroll. These assistants are not on the club's payroll but on one of their employee's payroll probably paying them in cash. The clubhouse manager also has personal accounts receivable and payable to deal with for the food and beverages. I'm going to speculate here but I remember old stories about Babe Ruth sending a clubhouse kid to restaurants to get him some food. This is similar to how some private country clubs run their pro shops. They hire a professional and the pro runs the shop as his business. He buys the merchandise, cart fleet, hires staff and creates a payroll. But that model is being replaced almost everywhere.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 26, 2016 -> 07:26 AM) Sale handled this totally wrong. If he was against the uni's so much, he should have taken a bunch of them out to the field and burned them in front of the fans. Actually blowing them up would have been a great promotion. Against Detroit would work. Allow anyone into the game for .98 and any replica jersey. Better if there is a doubleheader.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 10:18 PM) You seriously believe that wearing a different uniform makes a difference in winning? This is the difference in winning? Wearing a different jersey? I'm sure KW didn't care about the promotional day other than "ok Brooks." I bet he'd be winning more in that comfy Texas jersey or a Baltimore jersey. The jersey is why those teams have a few more wins.

Here is why the players are wrong. Having been on the management side of a similar issue here are the things that jumped out at me. Underaged employees working overtime. Who employs them? It sounds like the club hires them and the clubhouse manager pays them. I am shocked that system is still around in 2016. They may be taking 60% but they are also paying for the food, which was probably close to that or more. Here is how it should be. The visiting team is responsible for the food and drink for the players. The players should not be paying $50 a day for that. The home club employs and pays a decent salary to the employees responsible to assure the meals are there. If the players wish to tip the employees, they may. But the employee shouldn't be personally collecting meal money and paying for the meals, that is a club responsibility. It should also be the club's responsibility to manage employees including payroll, not the club house manager. The players are protecting a seriously flawed system from 100 years ago.

http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/art...SCA-8394200.php

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 08:31 PM) Hey, I was only about 2 innings off! I was two runs off. I thought he'd give up 5.