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QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 1, 2009 -> 11:18 AM) well, why wouldn't we criticize him after 4 weeks in office. He has run by far the most reckless presidency in our history. See, feels good doesn't it

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Amazing [/size] In 1972, Joe Miller was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Tulsa Junior College . On a hike through the bush, he came across a young bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed distressed, so Joe approached it very carefully. He got down on one knee, inspected the elephants foot, and found a large piece of wood deeply embedded in it. As carefully and as gently as he could, Joe worked the wood out with his knife, after which the elephant gingerly put down its foot. The elephant turned to Joe, and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for several tense moments. Joe stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away. Joe never forgot that elephant or the events of that day. Thirty years later, Joe was walking through the Tulsa Zoo with His family. As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and walked over to near where Joe and his Family were standing. The large bull elephant stared at Joe, lifted its front foot off the ground, then put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the while staring at the man. Remembering the encounter years later, Joe could not help wondering if this was the same elephant. Joe summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing, and made his way into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder. The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Joe 's legs and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly. Probably wasn't the same elephant. This is for everyone who sends me those heart-warming bulls*** stories.

That is actually tougher than I thought. Since we seem to be thinking players only, Thomas, Fisk, Aparicio, Fox Tough calls Joe Jackson (too controversial) Baines (character ++) Ozzie (player/manager ++ controversy --) Veeck (if we expanded) Chuck Comisky

QUOTE (Tmar @ Feb 26, 2009 -> 02:23 PM) Yup, using them hoes, you know how it is

QUOTE (The Gooch @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 08:52 PM) I don't necessarily believe every right and punishment for adult should be pushed up to 21. I believe that all should be at the same age regardless if it is 18, 19, 20, or 21. Those who can be punished as an adult should also receive all the rights of an adult. If someone can join the military they should be able to drink. If someone can be charged as an adult, they should be able to vote. We have too many different ages that define adulthood. For example, if the set age was 19, I think all 19 year olds should be able to vote, drink, join the military, and be tried as adults. We shouldn't be able to say that someone should be trusted to act like an adult and give them the same privileges that other adults get to enjoy. While I don't usually see things as just black or white, this is one of the few cases I do. Either you are an adult or your not; rights, privileges, and punishments included. And drive a car? Drop out of school? Be President? How about the maximum age to join the military? Border Patrol? It seems unreal to think that all these dissimilar activities and privileges, would be grouped together. Instead of activity A should have this minimum age because of this, the logic is well if we're going to call someone an adult, they should have everything at the same time.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 05:31 PM) It also only takes 1 overzealous lawyer to make s*** up in order to try and foster the exact kind of outrage you see here in order to help his client's prospects. All you have is allegations, no proof. That too.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 04:50 PM) In a lot of cases, I'm game for that. In some cases, I'm not. Our farm subsidy system is an absolute debacle of the highest order. It makes us all less healthy and wastes $100's of billions and is an environmental killer. Care to explain? How does keeping land from being developed, or left natural instead of being planted, harm the environment?

QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 11:01 AM) To me, it just seems odd that at 16 we are legally allowed to drive a 2-ton lump of metal on wheels up to 70 MPH. It would be quite easy to take a life if done irresponsibly. At 18 we are legally allowed to purchase and own firearms. It would be quite easy to take a life if used irresponsibly. But yet we have to wait until 21 because we might drink and drive and kill somebody. People are given opportunities, and this age group has succeeded in some, and failed at others. It would seem more odd to bundle all this and suggest there needs to be one age for everything. Then do you pick the youngest age that some of the people can handle everything, or the oldest age when the majority can handle everything? Different laws and responsibilities for different ages. Dude, back to the matter at hand, we had High School girls pimping out their friends. How cool is that. Hey Myron, I can get you some. What are you looking for?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 04:18 PM) I think even the Obama haters realize this particular thing really can't be blamed on him. when the hell has that ever stopped anyone? Dem or Rep?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 11:09 AM) dammit Balta, now you made me cry. I know exactly where I was for both those shots.

It seemed like Obama was getting bashed earlier than most Presidents. IMHO after 6 1/2 years of Bush supporters getting bounced around, they can finally be on the offensive. There seems to be a lot of pent up energy.

I was expecting this to have turned into an Obamathon of bashing. Let's be careful in painting too broad a path. It only takes a couple guards to make this seem like an epidemic.

If you spend a trillion or two "early" in 2009 as a stimulus, doesn't it make sense you could at least cut that much?

QUOTE (SoxFan101 @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 08:18 AM) The only thing im going to say is, if at 18 your old enough to die for your country but not drink alcohol? To me that seems like quite an injustice in our society. At 18 most are either out of highschool or close to it also, so it would make sense that it be the legal age.... especially since college kids are going to drink anyways while at college. What are the overlapping skills and concerns for military service and drinking? Look at military jobs for 18 year olds. Aim this rifle at this target and shoot. I know 13 year olds that can take down a deer. I don't want them drinking. Drive this truck and supplies to this location. I know 15 year olds with driver's licenses, I don't want then drinking. When the drinking age was 18, too many 18-20 year olds were dying for drinking. The number of alcohol related deaths was higher in that age group than any other. It is interesting to suggest that because this law is broken so often, we'll just drop the law. It would pretty much eliminate speed limits in this country. I don't see why we should also take away their right to vote and serve in the military. 18 year olds prove they could handle those responsibilites and did not cause a danger to themselves and others. If 20 year olds caused too many military deaths to their fellow soldiers, I imagine that would change as well. Actually, I don't see why they would even be linked. A 30 year old can also die for his country, but not serve as President. I am kind of shoked so many would take away voting rights from anyone who is not old enough to drink.

QUOTE (The Gooch @ Feb 27, 2009 -> 12:57 AM) So if 16 year olds can make decisions like an adult and be tried as one, why can they not smoke, drink, or vote? It has also always bothered me that individuals can join the military and vote at 18, yet they are not seen fit to drink alcohol. I don't understand how someone can be trusted to vote in our country's leaders but yet they are not allowed to drink. The difference becomes the ages and stages. When an 18 year old votes, there is an assumption in this country that only qualified candidates are allowed on the ballot. What is the down sides to them making a mistake and voting for the "wrong candidate"? But if you think they should have to wait until 21, I would be interested in learning why. If you also believe that military service should begin at 21, I guess I would be interested in hearing why. It seems that most 18 year olds have the capacity to serve, and serve well in the roles they are given. Most 16 year olds know right from wrong and the consequences of their actions. When they commit a crime, they should receive an appropriate punishment. There should be some flexibility based on the unique facts of the particular case, for young adults who fall in the gray area of 15-18. If you believe that they should also be allowed to drink and vote, again, I do not see the parallels. I can hear the howls of protest if a lawmaker said, since this age group can't drink, we are also taking away their right to vote and serve in the military.

nice And well played with the thread subject

I remember being out at Elgin CC for an outing and Kerr was out fishing one of the ponds. We all stopped and said hello. I asked him if all the interruptions bothered him and he said something to the effect of not wanting to know what the alternative is. Bummer. This is like Hawk and Crede dying on the same day.

Sloan and Van Lier were a hell of a back court. I remember coaches telling us to watch them and do what they did. RIP

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Feb 25, 2009 -> 11:27 PM) but the geek in me would decide to spend months studying for it anyway. And by study, he means drinking a lot of beer. Something similar to all majors.

I thought I would share My current electric provider Green Mountain Energy Pollution Free Plan 14.34 cents/kWh No need to heat or AC this past month, so cheap month. Only $55. Most homes here are 100% electric, no natural gas. I am paying slightly more than I could with a longer commitment or less environmentally friendly production methods.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Feb 25, 2009 -> 11:37 AM) That's why I prefaced my post with note: I have not stated my opinion. Truthfully, if the roles were reversed, and Obama gave a suck speech and Jindal rocked the house, the reaction would be the same, and that's more my point. And the REP reaction would also be the same.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 25, 2009 -> 11:09 AM) More reducing than that. Are you building a curtain, comrade?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 24, 2009 -> 05:11 PM) The problem will of course be...what will that residual force be doing, and what happens when they come under attack? Exactly.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 25, 2009 -> 10:59 AM) This close to a Ph.D. in geology...(Come on Iron, stop screwing me over!) getting rusty?