Texsox

QUOTE (lostfan @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 09:06 AM) Tex I had to read that 2-3 times before it made any sense and I'm an English major that was tough to follow.

QUOTE (StatManDu @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 09:53 AM) Were the 2008 White Sox the slowest Sox team ever? Consider ... *The 13 triples were an all-time franchise low *The 67 steals were the fewest by a Sox team since the 1977 team swiped 42 If not the slowest, they are a finalist.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 08:33 AM) OK, so... no one here makes an issue out of it. You start a thread with a video of it, asking if anyone else caught it. Then you say its a non-issue to you, and you just hate the Obamatons who want to make it an issue? When, in this forum, YOU made it an issue? We've had threads that are basically "how can anyone make an issue out of this" started before. We've especially had the threads about "the other side is bat crazy for making an issue out of this" started.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 08:28 AM) I don't care how it was presented. This was a major mistake by each of these guys. I agree it was probably a mistake for these guys as it appears now. But I do care how it was presented. I care if this is highly unusual to have AAA guys asked to hang out and be the posse and the norm is for only the team and the one or two alternates to stay.

QUOTE (Cubano @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 08:05 AM) Texsox: I can infer you like politics. I do not want to get ban here. The reason mexicans are targeted are various. One is the great numbers of mexicans that come to the USA. At the beginning of the cuban wave in the early 60's and 70's, the Jews and white americans in South Florida saw it as a bad thing. I bet you that if 10 million cubans enter Mexico now and live in the same area in Mexico many mexicans will protest. Another reason mexicans are targeted is because the gangs and drug issues in Mexico. Colombia is far away from the USA and we do not have many colombians coming to the USA. However, Mexico is next to the USA. Many mexicans are hard workers, but many also come and create problems in the USA. Then, all mexicans pay the price. Every week you read something bad about mexicans mafia in Mexico and americans do not want the same thing hapen in here. Another thing is that the most visible mexicans are the ones working in construction, lawn movers, etc. These guys usually travel together before and after jobs. Everytime you see many men together people think gang, trouble, first. In addition, USA-Mexico history has been a rocky one. Americans also do not mind peolple from Asia such as Korea, India, etc. One thing I never understood about mexicans is the following. You guys take issues with USA immigration policies against mexicans. However, Mexico immigration policies are the same or worst for Hondurans, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, etc. Cubans usually can get by Mexico on their way to the USA, but you guys put us in jail many times unders not so good conditions. Every country has the right to control who enters their country. Mexico has the right to control immigration as well as the USA. Shame on the cubans for allowing Castro to gain power. I am not blaming only the cubans for Castro because the USA also has some blame in here. Couple areas I disagree. The US has had a couple hundred years of the longest unguarded, peaceful borders, in the world. The relationship is far from rocky. Every country has different immigration needs. Even if Mexico allowed unlimited immigration for Americans, it would not be a valid reason for the US to allow unlimited Mexican immigration. I do not believe comparing the two is a valid tool. What works for America and is in America's best interest is what is important, not some other countries laws. I don't know if Cuba accepts every immigrant who touches their shore, not do I care. We accept every Cuban defector who reaches the beach because it is the right thing to do and overall good for America. We have issues with every non English speaking immigrant. The better educated immigrants almost always speak English, or have the capacity to quickly learn. That is why we accept an immigrant taking a $100,000 position, then go crazy when he hires a Spanish speaking maid, taking that job from a deserving American. What makes Mexico unique is the people can walk across. A very primitive technique that has occurred since the dawn of man. Other countries you mentioned require greater travel and greater expense, again helping to self select who is here. Once here, Mexicans find private American businesses competing for their business in that great American ideal of free enterprise. These American businesses roll our the "alfombra roja" to these customers. Further, they find a large population of ex-pats who also speak Spanish. The need to speak Spanish is small, and too many never learn. We should probably move this to the filibuster. I enjoy reading your posts on all subjects and look forward to hearing what you have to say about Cuban - US relationships.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 06:49 PM) The letter "C" is the Roman numeral for 100. I've watched Cub fans be the most loyal anywhere in sports, and that is laudable. But it's only been in the past few years, perhaps as the Big C loomed, that the fans became restless and the team started being a perennial playoff team. So I cannot condemn them for taking a more aggressive approach and demanding a winner now. I also try and remember these are the exact same fans we high five at Bears, Bulls, and Blackhawk games.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 08:15 AM) Fundamantals need to addressed up and down the organization. Situational hitting, bunting, hitting the cutoff man, thinking ahead on defense. These are organizational weaknesses from top to bottom and I hoping that Buddy Bell changes things for the better. We just have to look to the strongest program in our division for conformation.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 07:54 AM) What these guys are showing by leaving is a lack of the concept of "Team". Or another way it can be interpretted is "f*** you guys, I'm going home." For a young player like Broadway to take a stance that can possibly be interpretted in either of these ways is a huge mistake. Logan probably doesn't have a future with the Sox, but as of that moment, the Sox were his best chance and what kind of message does that send to other organizations? MacDougal? Who gives a s***? I do not disagree at all, I am certain their some of their AAA teammates would have killed for a chance to sit in the clubhouse. But if the roster had been set before leaving Chicago these guys probably would not have even been invited. Plus we really do not know how the offer was made. Was it "sorry you guys had to make the trip to Florida, but Oz didn't put you on the playoff roster. See you in Spring Training. BTW, we feel bad you made the trip so if you want to just kind of hang out and watch the games from the Clubhouse, you can. No biggie, it's up to you". Some are acting like they flew these guys to Florida knowing they would not be on the roster and the club asked them to stay and they refused. I can't remember a club talking about their AAA guys being invited to sit on the bench or hang out in the clubhouse before. So what message does it send? We don't really know, because we don't know how common it is to fly in your AAA guys to be a posse for the MLB team.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 07:30 AM) there's a reason it's around - it's because people can't let go of the past and it "looks good". it's been statistically proven to be useless. counterproductive even. personally i'm ok with doing it on no outs with a runner on 2nd to get him in sac fly position. but otherwise giving up the out to just HOPE that another guy gets a single (any other hit would have scored him from first) is just kind of ludicrous. Last April, stats also proved that the Sox were a third or fourth place team this year. You can use the stats or you can have the stats use you. The better managers know when each is appropriate. But if the team could be solely guided by stats, there would be no need for a human manager. Just have a computer spit out the probabilities and go from there.

You can't teach speed. It's not how, it's how many. (cuts both ways, for bunts and home runs) Balance works There is a reason bunting is still around. The whole point of offense is to score runs before the third out, not just to avoid outs. (splitting hairs I know)

If there was a slight, it was unintentional. It was McCain that went over to Obama and introduced his wife to him. Both men are very good at the pleasantries and manners that come with public office.

QUOTE (Cubano @ Oct 9, 2008 -> 07:40 AM) The regular cubans like me are trying to leave too. I am glad I took the first opportunity and packed. Thank USA for being so kind to me and my fellow cubans. It has helped that the Cuban population that has immigrated has been smaller, less geographically diverse, better educated, and with better marketing than Mexico. It is interesting we do not mind a Spanish speaking Cuban Doctor immigrating, but he damn better hire an Anglo gardener instead of a Mexican. We want those jobs.

QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 09:39 PM) I'm against it unless you have an emergency override attached to it. In case James Bond needs to borrow your car?

QUOTE (WCSox @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 06:10 PM) Given that Broadway and Logan share the same clubhouse as Buehrle before and after the game, and likely speak to him there as well, having that extra support is certainly helpful. It may not be enough to get Mark to throw another no-hitter, but there are positives to teammates demonstrating that they care about more than just their paycheck. If the support that teammates gave each other didn't matter, they wouldn't be high-fiving each other after home runs and giving shaving cream pies to guys who make game-winning plays. Showing up to the clubhouse on your day off is simply an extension of that philosophy. After thinking about it some more, my comment that they already have a posse of 24, do they really need an even bigger posse, cuts both ways. It probably isn't that much more distracting having guys not on the team hanging around. Especially those that were on the team before getting cut. I still think it is over rated and believe they were only in Florida because the playoff roster wasn't set. If the roster had been set, they would have had the option in Chicago after the Twins game to fly to Florida or not and this would never have been reported. You can observe all you want but until you are actually there to play, it's all theory. Danks seemed to have managed pitching in the playoffs without spending time on the clubhouse couch watching, and Javy has seen it before and still sucks in big games. Maybe some believe now that he watched Beurhle, Javy is better prepared to play in playoff atmosphere, but I doubt it. And by Spring training it will all have been forgotten and each player will have to earn a roster spot based on talent and performance on the field. Still a dumb move on their part for not sticking around. But I don't think it was that big a deal. They were cut from the roster and went home.

I need the "stop the email, phone, or text, while totally pissed off at the ex-wife" filter.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 05:26 PM) we should put the reverse of that on here on late Friday and Saturday nights they should automatically be posted here.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 04:05 PM) I Break With Thee. . . I Break With Thee. . . I Break With Thee. . . And then you throw dog poop on their shoes. Steve Martin

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/10/07...s.ap/index.html I kid you not.

The story says the players that made the trip to Florida, I wonder why every player didn't make the trip? And, if they were not going to be on the roster, why were they told only after the got there? It seemed that the team made the decision in route or after the arrived in Florida. Kenny in Chicago After Twins Game: Hey! We made the playoffs! We're going to Florida! Logan, Broadway pack your bags! It's Playoff time!! Kenny in Florida: PYSCH! Here's the couch! Enjoy the game! Remember the cokes are for the players so you can't have one.

Knowinghow to gracefully leave a relationship, job, internet message board, etc. is a great life skill that will pay dividends. You never know when you will be swimming back upstream and having grace and class will help.

QUOTE (WCSox @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 03:32 PM) No, what's "silly" (and that's putting it nicely) is your comparison of Joe Sixpack in the upper deck to a young player who wears the same uniform, has a locker in the clubhouse, and has been in the same starting lineup as Buehrle and Junior. Like mom and dad (and unlike Joe Sixpack in Section 534), the players in the starting lineup actually KNOW these young players and benefit from their support. They often spend six days a week fighting with them for a common goal. Support from those close to us (in one way or the other) makes all the difference. So Buerhle does pitch better if he knows Broadway is on the clubhouse couch watching him and not on his couch at home? If that is the case, then those guys should be there, I agree. I just don't think Buerhle really cares where Logan or Broadway are. I see Broadway and Logan more like this . . .

QUOTE (Reddy @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 02:37 PM) How bout sticking around to see how you man up under pressure? If only it was that easy, Javy could do it.

http://www.rockpapersaddam.com/one.html Still the best. RIP

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 8, 2008 -> 01:00 PM) and they will score points next spring. You know with Oz, he just may pick someone with a worse spring training who stayed, over someone playing better but who left. We'll see who here agrees when that happens Cheers

I have to go. I agree that there are some good reasons to have a bunch of minor league players hanging around. I hope I also planted some thought that there are some reasons to not have a dozen minor league guys hanging around. I added all the reasons I could think of on a scale, and decided it wasn't any big deal if they wanted to leave. Some quotes I was thinking about, but never worked in "I'm treating this like any other game" (so what are the AAAA guys learning) "The playoffs are different, lots of distractions, more reporters, team officials, crowds, etc, around" (why add more) This thread will now die with me gone