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QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 5, 2006 -> 09:50 PM) The nicest way I can put it is that I severely disagree with this post. As in KW would take Garcia for Young, or that Daniels would not take Garcia for Young, or both? Just curious, of course

QUOTE(T R U @ Nov 5, 2006 -> 08:54 PM) I think the pump fake Brady did made Freeney pull up to avoid putting a hit on him Which is a f***ing joke, because the NFL does so goddamn much to overprotect the QBs. They are grown f***ing men, they've played football their entire lives, I think they can take a f***ing hit. If the stupid ass overprotective roughing the passer rule is not in play, Freeney hits the s*** out of Brady right there - or at the very least, sacks him. But because it's in play, he can't take him down for the sack, because if Brady is to throw it right there, Freeney gets flagged for a 15-yard penalty. /rant I also hate New England too Atleast Indy just scored...wo0t

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 3, 2006 -> 11:58 AM) Michael Young is one of the best hitters in the league. As bad as the Rangers and any team for that matter need top quality pitching, they won't trade such a vocal point of the team for Freddy Garcia and the worthless Juan Uribe. You know my stance on Uribe, he's a negative to this deal from Texas' perspective. Getting a gold glove defensive SS and a #3 starting pitcher for a mediocre defensive SS who's a good hitter on a team packed with good hitters...something isn't clicking there as far as I'm concerned. Daniels would take Garcia for Young, and that I'm entirely sure of. I don't think KW would - not because Young wouldn't be a great addition to the Sox, but because the Sox have much bigger needs than SS or 2B.

yay, Bills still aren't in last

QUOTE(That funky motion @ Nov 2, 2006 -> 11:54 PM) Not with Boras as his agent. Boras really can't do much. You post a bid for him, which Boras has nothing to do with, and then you negotiate with the pitcher, where Boras can't use other teams for leverage. Boras as his agent will probably get him somewhere around 4/$52 or something like that, but it's not going to make him completely unattainable.

QUOTE(Whitewashed in @ Nov 2, 2006 -> 05:59 PM) He wasn't the same this year, we'll see if he's back in 07 after the injury from 06. He was solid though all the same...perhaps not GG, but as far as I could tell, he still looked solid. I was really just trying to point out that Aaron Rowand is not the best defensive CFer in the game

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Nov 2, 2006 -> 03:07 PM) I'm shocked that the best defensive CF in baseball would have his option declined. No the Twins picked up Hunter's option

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Nov 2, 2006 -> 06:34 AM) I've watched that, and I can't laugh. It's just so freaking sad. The sad part is that the kid realizes how badly he's doing about a minute into it, and that makes him screw up even more. I feel bad for the guy, because it's pretty sad. I just also find it hilarious at the same time. What can I say, I've got a first-class ticket to hell.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Nov 2, 2006 -> 09:39 AM) Carl Crawford is NOT a leadoff hitter. His stats for 2003-2005 in the #1 spot were .294/.332/.447. And last year it was .253/.323/.310. Great for a number 2 hitter, but NOT for leadoff. In the spirit of the season, I vote NO on the Carl Crawford Bill. He was 22 in 2003, pretty much fresh out of the minors. And he'd be a fine leadoff hitter, regardless of what his numbers say. He's hitting #2 in Tampa because that's where Maddon felt he fit best in the lineup, and there's no reason beyond that. QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Nov 2, 2006 -> 10:28 AM) And even with the "Win Now" approach that people have been talking about, ask the Red Sox and Yankees about that. Biggest payrolls, 1 World Series win between them since 2001. And 4 World Series victories since 1998, including 6 World Series appearances. The Yankees have also made the playoffs 12 straight years.

QUOTE(Brian @ Nov 1, 2006 -> 09:02 PM) Who could forget this classic. He passes it to the man... AND BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE

QUOTE(BobDylan @ Nov 2, 2006 -> 12:44 AM) But teams aren't willing to overpay for one of the leagues best (and young) lead-off hitters? They would be willing to...but if they don't need a LFer or a lead-off hitter, why would they?

QUOTE(BobDylan @ Nov 2, 2006 -> 12:12 AM) Don't be ridiculous. We also parted ways with Magglio Ordonez and Jose Valentin. That was $16 million - $8 million to Garcia, $6 million to Contreras, and $2 mill for various other raises. The money spent in the 04-05 offseason was money from revenues and the savings of the Carlos Lee deal, by and large. And I still see no reasoning against trading McCarthy and Sweeney for Crawford, and then trading one of the other starters for pitching prospects. It can very easily be done.

I'm not doing McCarthy and Sweeney for Crawford if the rotation going into next year is the same as this past year. That's just stupid. But if you can trade Vazquez/Garcia/Buehrle...whomever...for MLB ready pitching prospects(say Pelfrey/Heilman or Reyes/someone other than Wainwright)you must do it. BMac's value to the Sox is his contract status. I love BMac, and I think he has a shot at putting up a sub-4.00 ERA next year, but Crawford would pretty much be a great addition to the lineup, and would provide some consistent on-base ability at the top of the order.

QUOTE(whitesoxgt @ Oct 28, 2006 -> 01:18 PM) dont forget jose valentin no team that has valentin or neifi will ever win a world series that is a dirty lie and you know it Jose will win one...I just know it

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Nov 1, 2006 -> 03:48 PM) Oh yes, lets just ignore the defense part. Not great? He is HORRIBLE! I don't care what the numbers say. I have two eyes. I have seen him play a lot of games. He is a dog. Get your damn statheads out of your statasses and watch him play a freaking game. Use your eyes. So you're telling me he's a good hitter. That's really all I was arguing It's not like I haven't seen the guy play. He's a good hitter and he's not good defensively.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 11:22 PM) Slow start is putting it mildly. Really? Mildly? OPS's in the first 3 months April - .716 May - .791 June - .801 He wasn't putting up cleanup hitter's numbers, but you make it sound as though he was flat out horrible. That just isn't the case. So had he come out of the gate like a racehorse, and then finished with those numbers, then what? Injuries and a lack of talent killed the Cubs, not Aramis's mediocrity in the first half. I've already pointed out in another thread that his slugging in close and late situations is generally high, and he was solid as hell in the 2003 playoffs. Add to it his consistently solid numbers with RISP, and I still don't buy this argument, and I never will. He's not great defensively, but he's a hell of a hitter. All the numbers indicate that.

Mike Piazza = worst.run.scorer.evar. not that it is a huge deal, more funny than anything else.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 01:28 PM) When the Cubs still had a shot in that AWFUL, AWFUL NL and NL Central, and when Lee got hurt, Ramirez did not step it up, at all. But then when July, the 2nd half of the year, and the the time where the Cubs were dead comes up, Ramirez all of a sudden catches fire (playing for the paper and new contract) and ends up with a great season (although deceptive) numberwise. That's what I mean by not hitting when it matters, or at least that was obviously the case in 2006. He was supposed to carry the team by himself? I'm sorry, I'm not buying this. He got off to a slow start in April, was mediocre to slightly above in May and June, and was a monster in the second half. It's not his fault the Cubs had jacks*** for talent around him. And playing when it matters most...how about his .956 OPS in the 2003 playoffs? That's when it matters most, not when your team sucks ass and there's nothing you can do about it, regardless of the numbers you put it. It'd be worth it for the Cubs to give him 5/65, but I doubt he intends on staying in Chicago.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 02:36 PM) I'm not saying it was the wrong decision, but pointing out that loyalty is gone in sports. We could also examine the coming and going to guys like Baines, Alomar, etc. When it fits it fits. When the situation works for the player and the team, great. If it doesn't, I will not fault a player for bidding adieu. Fair enough. I can agree with that. A great example of that would be Bernie Williams and the Yankees. They did have use for him, and he could still play the field, so he signed on as a 4th OFer for them last year.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 01:11 PM) I took it to mean the teams aren't loyal to the players, why should the players be loyal to the teams? If Mr. White Sox, perhaps the greatest player to don a Sox uniform, could find himself, not by his choice, in a different uniformn, couldn't anyone? The Sox certainly won't make any accomodation to keep Buerhle until the end of his career, I don't think Buerhle will worry too much about being loyal to the Sox. Tex, the White Sox gave Frank opportunity after opportunity to prove himself...after 1999, after 2001, after 2002, after 2004, and 4 injury riddled/mediocre seasons broke the camel's back. How many people would have given Frank $1 mill during those years, let alone the multi-millions that the Sox gave him? If that's not loyalty, I'm not sure what is. He got his ring, but they couldn't bank on his health going into 2006. In hindsight, it may be a poor decision, but NO ONE in the entire MLB counted on him to be healthy this year. The A's gave him a heavily incentive laden contract, and it was simply a low-risk, high-reward type of deal. If the Sox were to have hung on to him, it would have almost undoubtedly cost more than that, because he only signed the deal with the A's after he couldn't get any other offer for a substantial amount of money from anywhere else. The A's were pretty much his only option, other than retirement. There is a line between loyalty and stupidity, and the White Sox FO knew they couldn't cross it. They didn't, and hindsight bit them in the ass.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 09:36 PM) You'd give A Ram Konerko type money? I think he very well may GET that type of money, but I wouldn't want to be the team giving him that kind of paper. But the Angles do need a bat, so they probably will do it, however Scoscia isn't going to like A Ram when he sees how much of a dog he is in terms of hustle and how he hits when it matters. You talking about w/RISP or close and late? He was horrible in close and late situations this year, and had a horrible average in those situations last year too. However, his OPS last year was .800, and he hit .316/.376/.541/.917 in 2004 in C&L situations. He hasn't been horrible. And there's pretty much no argument you can make that would suggest he is bad with runners on base. His average is pretty good all around. He may be a dog at times, and he may be mediocre to bad at 3B, but he's a hell of a hitter, and there's no denying that.

QUOTE(Steff @ Oct 31, 2006 -> 08:35 AM) Ohh boo hoo. The guy could still play and wanted to still play so because of loyalty he was just supposed to sit at home cause he wouldn't be wearing a Six uni.. It's a 2 way street so if you're going to try to use that (weak, imo) argument at least don't be hypocritical about it. agreed completely Steff KW and Thomas had parting shots at one another in the offseason, but the fact remained that the Sox didn't invision Thomas in their plans, and Thomas wanted to continue playing. Thomas and the Sox had been together for 15 years, for better or worse(probably worse). Loyalty was never in question.

QUOTE(sayitaintso @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 11:36 PM) IF robert valido has a solid 07 season, he may be a posibility for SS in 08. Just throwing it out there. Gonna definitely have to say extremely doubtful. Not only did his bat completely disappear, but it was in AA. It's probably going to take 2 years to get his name back on the radar. Solid defensively though from everything I've heard.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 03:51 PM) Iguchi is a Free Agent at the end of 2007. So if Young plays SS in 07, and 2B in 08, who plays SS in 08? And what happens with Uribe? I would love Young on the Sox, but I am just not sure how exactly this would work out without trading Goochi(which is a possibility too I suppose)

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Oct 30, 2006 -> 10:25 PM) I'm aware of the bolded, which is the main reason why I don't want Blanco. I have no faith that Mack can play 3rd if Joe's back falls off, but I do have faith Cintron can. And I'm not convinced the organization is ready to let Fields play (or if Josh is even ready to play) there everyday if Joe's back has a significant issue. It's one thing to put Fields at 3B and say good luck rookie if we had A Rod at SS, it's another to do so with Uribe still at SS. Why would you have no faith in Mackowiak at 3B? He played 25 innings there this year...less than 3 full games worth. If he is given the opportunity to play it on a semi-consistent basis off the bench, I'm sure he'd prove more than adequate there if for an extended period of time. Hell, the reason Mackowiak was brought in was to be an insurance policy in case Crede's back went out. Why would that plan just be completely forgotten because Ozzie never played him there ever? Cintron is a nice bat off the bench when you can afford it, but he's very easily replaceable, and he's almost undoubtedly going to cost around $2.25 mill, whereas Mackowiak is making $2.75 mill. I'll take the added power along with the added versatility of Mackowiak over Cintron. I also see no reason as to why Josh Fields wouldn't be able to take over 3B either, regardless of how good he is defensively. The problem with Josh Fields is that he may not be in the White Sox organization at all next year. (and Uribe's like 3x the defender ARod is, so I couldn't care less regarding that scenario)