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QUOTE(Heads22 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 10:47 PM) Mines an interesting story. We'll call the girl Xavier G. Xavier G was in Arizona recently and when she got back I talked to her on the MSN Messenger. I asked her how she was and she said good and she has a beautiful prom dress. I asked who she was going with and she said no one (she's a sophomore). I have always maintained I wouldn't go to prom because it is a waste of money. Xavier G then said that I had to go to prom as a senior. I asked why. Xavier G said she'd make me. It's nifty because Xavier G is one of the hotter girls in our school, and since she's an older sophomore (16) and I'm supposed to be a junior (17) the age difference is not great or anything. Might be worth it. I know she's a great girl. I then asked her since she half asked me so it was easy on me. Of course, wite said she's good looking so I'm reconsidering my judgement. She is pretty solid

QUOTE(man hands @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 10:36 PM) Bull, You're an idiot! What do you want me to do, come up to you and ask for my birthday present! You're a dork. I'm like 36, it's no big thing anymore! See you tomorrow. Baj GREATEST.AVATAR.EVAR My baby has nothing on that Happy B-day man!

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 04:37 PM) My 5-year old boy has simultaneously entered his superhero phase and his penis phase, and it's made for some fine entertainment. He and his older sister were playing superheroes the other day and he just out of the blue blurts out "The power of the universe is in my penis!" Needless to say, my wife assumes this is all my fault somehow... ROFL If you don't mind, I think I will be putting that in my sig

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 21, 2005 -> 04:07 PM) But then everyone else is in a role they're not used to. Garcia isn't a #1 and Contreras isn't a #3 (yet -- hopefully this year he improves). But then again, I consider that all moot -- I really don't like putting a number on a pitcher. It'll certainly be a nice problem to have, having capable men battling for five spots. I guess it can only mean good things, right? You're right that numbers don't matter when it comes to the season. The only time they ever really matter is the postseason. If you have 5 decent starters, you could have your ace start the 3rd game of the year, and he'd probably end up with about the same amount of starts as the guy who started opening day. Also...you know that KW is already on the phones about a potential deal in the future...whether or not you like the thought of BMac being rushed. If he can come in and put up Greinke-esque numbers(not even that good), I can almost already see Contreras being shipped out. If BMac can put up Greinke/Buehrle numbers in his first year, Contreras will be out of here about as fast as Royce Clayton was when JM found him in tennis shoes on the bench(except it will be a trade and not a flat out release)

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QUOTE(Heads22 @ Mar 20, 2005 -> 11:48 PM) Look at what you put in for that: : snr I do think a better/another SnR smilie would be OK

I need some more f***in SnR, personally. We could also use an SnR smilie.

Edwards is the top WR in the draft. He has the 40 time. Therefore, I think Angelo and company would go with him here. However, I have been preaching trade down here forever...a trade down here, IMO, is the smartest choice. One of Derrick Johnson, Troy Williamson, and Cadillac Williams will be available at 12, and the Bears could use any of them, quite frankly...all could very well be playmakers at their spots, though DJ and Caddy moreso then Williamson. And at 28, you take a CB from a group of like Miller-Washington-Browner-McFadden for depth or even a possible starter. In the 2nd round, you can take a receiver(like Mathis, who I absolutely love) if you dont in the first, you can take a RB for depth(though I would wait till 4th round, quite honestly, and I would look to pick up a guy like Moats, Harris, Houston, or Addy's boy Gore)...perhaps, if they feel necessary, they can trade and get a 3rd round pick and assure themselves of getting a back, but I don't think that's necessary. So anyways, after rambling, I'll say that I think if they stay at 4, they'll take Edwards, but if they don't, they would be making a wise choice.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Mar 20, 2005 -> 12:04 AM) Agreed, aces are the following to me~~~ schmidt, johnson, martinez, oswalt, schilling(?) possibly halladay and prior when healthy. Johan, peavy, sheets, and oliver perez can all potentially be one with a couple years of repeat seasons. I'd tend to agree very much with that entire list. There are others you could think about adding...Clemens, Pavano, Zambrano among others probably...but for the most part, that hits it right on the head. And how incredibly consistent is Schilling? The guy's last bad year was 1994, when he was 2-8 with a 4.48 ERA in 82.1 innings with a 1.40 WHIP...since then, the highest his WHIP has been in any season was 1.18 in 2000. 10 straight years of nothing but success. Simply put - wow

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 19, 2005 -> 06:12 PM) Most consistent in the top 20 AL lists (01-04): Martinez, Mussina, Hudson, Buehrle, Sabathia, Zito You are not ever going to convince me that Mussina, Sabathia, and Zito are aces...Zito of 02 and 03 is, but 04 he was not. Sabathia has had an ERA of under 4.00 1 time in his career. Mussina was an ace, and while he is still solid, I would say is not an ace anymore. I don't buy that list at all.

QUOTE(T R U @ Mar 19, 2005 -> 07:31 PM) Even if he was on steroids why would he retire? Its not like he had hall of fame potential and he didnt wanna ruin his chances.. so I dont think it would have been that big of a deal to get suspended even if he failed a test I just dont see why he would retire because of steroids, all he would be risking was suspension and a fine.. I dont think steroids would make his turn down near 2 million dollars Ricky Williams wasn't a potential hall of famer, and marijuana would not ruin his chances of making the hall of fame even if he were, yet he retired too. And I would guess it is much more of a hit to a person's ego and reputation to be convicted of using steroids then marijuana. Personal pride comes into play a lot, I would venture to guess.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Mar 19, 2005 -> 03:30 PM) Since becoming a full-time starter MB has averaged 16.25 W's. 3rd in the AL in QS. Also lead the AL in IP. 3rd in the entire MLB. I am not saying Mark is not a good pitcher. I'm saying he isn't an ace. When I think of ace, not only do I think of those ERA and WHIP numbers along with the QS and W's(IP really do not matter a ton), I also think of sheer dominance. Mark does not have the stuff to be a dominant pitcher. As a comparison, how does Mark stack up to Ben Sheets? Off the top of my head, I think Mark throws more innings per year and he wins more games, but Sheets had an ERA of 2.70, a WHIP of .98, and an incredible K/BB of 8.25. I don't know off the top of my head how many QS's Sheets had, but I'm sure he had quite a few. If you want some more comparisons, compare MB to Johan, Jason Schmidt, Randy Johnson, Tim Hudson, Curt Schilling, Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Oliver Perez, and perhaps more. There are very few ace types in the league. However, you do not need one to have a very winning team(Angels of 02)...but it is nice to have them(Sawks 04, Marlins 03, DBacks 01, Yanks 00)

I almost just want to let this die, because not enough people are joining... I'd like atleast 4 more teams to join...draft is tonight at 10 PM CT. If I don't have those 4 teams by roughly 9 PM tonight, I'll try and move the draft back a week. So please don't make me do that

Ace is an elite pitcher...a guy who will give you an ERA in the 3.00 range or lower seemingly every year, 17-20 wins a year, a WHIP of 1.10 at the highest, and who has very very few poor outings...an almost guaranteed quality start every time in other words. Esteban Loaiza in 2003 was the last ace we had, and prior to, it was probably Black Jack.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Mar 19, 2005 -> 03:05 PM) or it could be health issues or family issues... there are a thousand reasons to retire not involving steroids.... so its kind of hard to "put 2 to 2 together" :headshake Just seems kind of odd that he would suddenly retire when he is guaranteed $1.9 mill. It also seems kind of odd that he was never much of a hitter(as in the highest he'd ever hit at any point in his career prior to 1999 was perhaps the .282/.358/.412 in 170 ABs in for AAA Richmond in 97, or the .285/.340/.382 in 117 games, 424 AB's in 1993 with Detroit's AA team. And now, as a soon to be 32 year old, guaranteed $1.9 mill, coming off a good year, he just retires? If it's not for steroids, I'm sorry for this...but this screams steroids to me.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 19, 2005 -> 06:32 AM) The situation is very tantalizing to a pitching coach. Somewhere in that person is the Rolaids Relief Pitcher of the Year. Just unlock it and you are a genius. I can see why pitching coaches would want to work with him. Plus, he's a solid citizen. If that were the case, teams would have been lining up to get Antonio Alfonseca too. RRPotY is figured out statistically...and I am almost positive wins are counted in that formula. Billy won 11 games in 02. He also had a WHIP of 1.27, which is decent, but nothing spectacular, and his BB/9 of 4.4 was nothing to write home about. His HR/9 was 0.67 though, which is actually very solid(especially when you consider that it was 1.7 with us the next year) They would like to turn him around...but I don't think he is fixable, right now. He is just all over.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Mar 19, 2005 -> 11:42 AM) Mets need to make this move too, since Trachsel is having some back-injury issues. I want to say Ishii's WHIP is super high, and I think he gets saved by pitching in the Grand Canyon that is Dodgers Stadium, but Shea is a pithcher's park as well, so I think he can come close to his OK numbers for the Mets Shea is a pitchers park, but not nearly the pitchers park that Chavez Ravine is. Dodger Stadium - 95B-96P ratings in 04, 93B-94P in 03, 91B-92P in 02 Shea Stadium - 99B-99P in 04, 99B-99P in 03, 94B-95P in 02 I wouldn't expect it to go up too much though.

Steroids would make sense. The guy is a 5th OFer for quite a few years of his career, and he becomes a very solid player just like that at around the age of 30? Got injured in 2002 early in the year, as a starter for Arizona...though I can't remember exactly what his injury was...and he is now guaranteed $1.9 mill by the DRays, yet retires? Put 2 and 2 together.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 19, 2005 -> 06:51 AM) I get so bored with this. The Sox will offer less than Kong can get elsewhere. Kong is a greedy SOB if he takes it. We need to spend that money to fill holes. Get a 3rd baseman, whatever. The guy was out best position player last year. When you can not build with your best, you are always rebuilding. First of all, I will disagree that Konerko was our best position player last year. Statistically, it is kind of hard to argue...though the 1.000+ OPS at home and the .700-ish OPS on the road does not look good. However, Konerko is a one-dimensional player, having only power as the main aspect of his game. Defensively, he essentially loses both of those because he is a 1Bman, and you very rarely notice a difference defensively because of a 1Bman...for the most part, they are there to field a few ground balls now and then, and they catch the ball. Offensively, the only aspect he brings to the table is power...his .270 average is not among the best in the league, and his speed speaks for itself. You do not give huge contracts to guys that bring 1 thing to the table. The only worse thing you can do is give huge contracts to guys who sometimes bring nothing to the table...look to Troy Glaus in Arizona, who got $11 mill a year or so, and he has been very banged up the past couple years; look to Maggs in Detroit, where if he can keep whichever knee it was that he messed up healthy, he is guaranteed $75 mill. I just do not think giving that much money to one guy who brings one thing to the table is wise. He hits homers...seems to me that is what the Sox tried to get away from in the offseason. I think KW realizes that too...which is why I think you could see PK potentially in some type of trade during the season, for a bigger piece to the puzzle(like, say, perhaps an ace, which is something that is non-existent on the South Side). At the very least, I do not see him in a White Sox uniform next year.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 14, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) Championship = Illini-Cuse PWN3D

QUOTE(silver and black @ Mar 19, 2005 -> 01:50 AM) Um, no

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Mar 18, 2005 -> 06:48 PM) You're right. We need a bouncer. How the hell did some of you get thru the door anyways? They are poor...so Andrew Jackson gets you in easily.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Mar 18, 2005 -> 11:10 PM) I laughed at what is in bold. Dude...why laugh? Blanco = teh l33t

'Are they(the Mets) really that stupid?' Yes

Because, if I am understanding DugoutDollars correctly, they are saving roughly $2.8 mill or so, while getting rid of a mediocre pitcher in Ishii.