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QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 01:46 PM) Played better when he was under less pressure. Ehhh the .750 OPS this year with the team playing like dogs*** compared to the .850 he put up last year with the team in contention till the very end kind of strongly disagrees with that idea. As do the multiple walk-off hits Rios had in a Sox uniform.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 02:07 PM) Texas keeps Garcia till October all the players you mentioned went to the respected teams the day of the trade. Who f***ing gives a s***

Anyways, if they haven't already, I'm sure the Rangers will try and pass Garcia through waivers. If Houston claims, it's not a big deal. Kind of bush league, but not a big deal. As I noted earlier, that's literally the only team that can block this trade from taking place prior to August.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 02:01 PM) Yes sir! Texas gets cake and eat it too. I cannot remember a situation like that before involving the Sox. Oh really? You mean Zach Stewart and Brent Lillibridge for Kevin Youkilis didn't do it for you? Or how about Pedro Hernandez and Eduardo Escobar for Francisco Liriano? Or Matt Heidenreich and Blair Walters for Brett Myers?

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 01:55 PM) I'd love Ellsbury, as he'd be the perfect fit. However, it seems like that would be a huge long shot. Morales seems like a real good fit as well. I'd love Morales on the Sox. They need to add lefties to this lineup in a big way. I think one of De Aza and Viciedo will be traded this offseason as well.

Leury Garcia and Alcides Escobar's minor league numbers are not drastically different

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 01:53 PM) Except that the Astros are going to claim just about any pre-arb player on any other team's 40 man roster. That 40 man roster would look awfully goofy with 87 players on it

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 01:46 PM) Exactly, so unless some international players over 23 (I believe that's the date) are going to become available, the amount Hahn can spend is limited. I'm jumping to justification mode already, but is there anybody that's really worth it for the Sox to sign this offseason? Cano would be awesome, but not at $23 mill over 8-10 years, because he's going to be a 1B at the end of that next contract. Really, the place you need to fill is CF. That's priority #1, 2, and 3 as far as I'm concerned.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 12:31 PM) do it #1) Eat a dog #2) Eat a frog #3) Eat a log #4) Eat a brog #5) Eat a slog #6) Eat a pog #7) Eat a zog There's 7. I'll the the other 493 later tonight

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 01:41 PM) He was truly the Javy Vazquez of hitters. Yes. Puerto Rican, good all around game, unfairly criticized by the fans, inconsistent, non-emotional.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 01:28 PM) One other thing...I think you can find a bat in a corner spot easier then we think (potentially). Biggest problem with the Sox offense is a major lack of OBP (plus average). Rios is solid with the average but his OBP will never ever be anything special and spending $14M on that is tough given how s***ty our teams ability to get on base. Note: Sadly, Rios is one of the better ones we have but If he had a bad attitude (I think he gets hated on more then he deserves) then I can live with this. Like Balta, the one thing that gives me confidence of the future is our cost controller rotation (sans the expensive Danks). I'm guessing you are also referencing 1B and 3B regarding the corner spots. Unless the Sox deal De Aza, I think they are just going to be looking for someone in CF. This move genuinely excites me. I like Rios as a player, and had no problem with him coming back, but this really does cause excitement within the system.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 12:08 PM) There is absolutely no source with this, but: https://twitter.com/ddallaire_25/status/365881705472602115 That guy is like a sophomore in high school. Also, doesn't understand waivers

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 11:50 AM) Well, that depends, doesn't it? It's just not simple. If adding him allows me to play in the Postseason, whereas not adding him might not, then maybe I am willing to do so. What if I am working off a budget of $130 million whereas others are working off a budget of $85 million? We adjust performance for park factors...we could certain adjust salary data for budget factors, could we not? You can certainly take that into consideration that somebody may be willing to pay more for a lesser player because, frankly, they can, and they will be a better team overall because of it, if I'm understanding what you're getting at. The Red Sox could pay Jacoby Ellsbury $40 million a year for the next 10 years and he'd be good and "worth" it to them because they can afford it financially and they can make the playoffs and the World Series and Jacoby wins an MVP and saves a falling baby andall that jazz, and they aren't going to mind. That doesn't necessarily make it a smart investment though. It depends on how you want to evaluate it. I can fire off about 500 scenarios at you right now too. In the end, we assume that people act rationally and we try and figure out what that value is. It's clearly not black and white, but it establishes the framwork for evaluation of contract and production and gives a base for what is to be an expected and fair (or unfair or bad) offer to a given player.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 11:41 AM) I understand the whole concept of wins above replacement, but it's just not this simple. A player has a particular value to each potential buyer. While it is perfectly reasonable to establish a baseline value for each player, there are many other factors which effect value, especially monetary value. These variations are magnified around this time of year, when more risk is acceptable for the opportunity to play in the Postseason. Well there's marginal value too. Adam Dunn is only a 2 WAR player, but in the Orioles lineup, he'd essentially act as about a 3-3.5 WAR player because the guys they have had DH have put up a -12.5 RAR offensively. Still, you don't want to pay $15 mill next year for Adam Dunn.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 11:18 AM) Wait. So after Hahn and Daniels agree to terms they have to have sex to make it official? Never knew that. Guess you learn something new every day. It's really the tradition of it all, from the Greeks, you know?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 11:02 AM) You are right. Dunn has always been one of my favorite players and I have actively defended him and that style of play on this board but he has really stretched the acceptable levels of a true 3 outcome player while in a Sox uniform. We see eye to eye. Dunn is like a 2 win player just as a DH, and when you bring fielding into the equation, it drops to 1 win. It's not a pretty contract. I really like what Dunn can do at the plate, but there's no surprise that he went unclaimed.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 11:02 AM) Unbelievable to me that the Rangers wouldn't give up one of their 6-12 type prospects for Rios. He solves so many immediate problems for them on top of letting them walk away from Cruz next year. For all we know, it may be Hahn doing this too. He may want a 6-12 plus another, or 3 lower level guys, or whatever. It's just unbelievable that a deal hasn't been consummated yet because it really, really makes a lot of sense for both parties.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 10:48 AM) Do you mean it is difficult to actually acquire a player like this, or it is difficult to justify acquiring a guy like that? Difficult to justify, sorry. Dunn is terrible at 1B, and is no longer playable in LF or RF. I have a hypothesis that more guys are being used at DH to give them a day off too, but that's something I want to look at in the offseason.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 10:45 AM) I think so...if you look at '12 and '13, his run production is right where it has been historically. His OBP is down and his SLG is down, but he's still been very good at hitting home runs and driving in runs. Over the last 2 months, his OBP and SLG are pretty close to his golden years, so I am surprised no one is willing to take a chance on him, especially given the much talked about "tv money" next year. With pitching so much of the focus, it's really hard to acquire a guy who, for the most part, strikes out, walks, or homers.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 10:03 AM) Bone Loogan? I heard Alex Dumb cleared waivers today, but Alan Reno was claimed by the Texas Wranglers. They have until 12 A&M Fried Day night to get a deal done

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 8, 2013 -> 07:19 PM) He had a negative WAR that year. We still make the playoffs. He was truly awful. Maybe negative bWAR. His fWAR was 1.2.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 10:35 AM) He also started game 2 of a double header in Texas the week prior and was lights out. 7 baserunners and 9 K's in 14.2 IP in those 2 starts. Absolutely huge. That's not even that good

It's really amazing that he didn't get claimed by SOMEBODY. -No one

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 09:52 AM) Good ole Bruce Levine. He's never met a name he couldn't screw up. I think you mean Blaine Levime

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 9, 2013 -> 09:20 AM) If I had to guess, I'd say the 1b mess, Keppinger, Viciedo, and De Aza are the guys with below average range for their positions. Not sure about Gillaspie yet, haven't seen enough of him. Rios, Ramirez, and Beckham still show solid range but their impact has been hurt this year by the mental mistakes? Is that what the numbers you saw showed? First base is terrible, correct there Beckham has negative range, but he's never shown well in advanced defensive metrics. There's been nothing good at 2B. Alexei always shows well, but errors are hurting him badly this year. Gillaspie is fair defensively, ever so slightly above average. Rios has actually shown a lack of range but has made up for it with his arm. De Aza has done nothing good in CF this year. Neither has Danks. Wise and Tekotte were decent. Viciedo has shown no range, but nobody should be running on him anymore. De Aza shows good range and a mediocre arm. Overall, fairly accurate. I really don't mind Beckham, but I still do not believe he would make for a good everyday shortstop. I think it's amazing how many defensive woes would be elminated with a true CFer. CF and LF are the two weakest spots, and De Aza would be just fine in LF.