JohnCangelosi

If we were to play like this the next few days, does KW STILL begin the firesale??

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 01:04 PM) I posted it in the Catch-ALL thread. I agree with you Bolt. Tell the idiot to start pitching like a man and then maybe someone would consider taking on that ridiculous contract. Or, better yet, agree to rip up the contract and go on his merry way to wherever the F*&K he wants....

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 10, 2010 -> 12:45 PM) Both CQ and Gordon flew out to deep center? Anyone watching let me know if they actually hit it well? TCQ was right on it, but guess what??? A bit off the end of the bat, he took the guy nearly to the wall however. Again he's too far from the plate. GB had a good swing on it but was just a hair under it....

Stone Pony says "Kotsay is hitting the ball better".... HE'S HITTING TWO O F*&KING SIX!!! For the love of God this team is a joke

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 04:03 PM) If you can get a middlie infielder with some upside, like the Rays did when they got Zobrist, why not? The Sox have very little to speak of in the minors at SS and 2B, see if you can get a blocked guy at AA or a guy from single A that has upside but need 3 years to develop still. There must have been no one available they liked as I am surprised we didn't go for an infield bat in the second round, but I guess it's like they say, you can always trade good pitching for good hitting...

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 03:27 PM) Hawk Harrelson Night tonight at the Cell. I'm excited. As much of a homer as he is, I grew up listening to him and you have to appreciate just how much he loves the WhiteSox. He, as well as Pat Foley, is the reason I'm a broadcast major. You're majoring in unemployment? Kidding!!!

QUOTE (heirdog @ Jun 7, 2010 -> 12:36 PM) Kotsay is essentially Jerry Hairston...senior, the pinch hitter extraordinaire. Kotsay hung on with a good team like Boston (until he didn't...) because they had good baseball players and could afford the luxury of spending a roster spot on a pinch hitter. Surprisingly, a pretty good pinch hitter that usually only comes up in clutch situations is no longer clutch...when you make him essentially an every day player. I don't think there has ever been another Dan Pasqua before Dan Pasqua or since Dan Pasqua. The '90s version of Greg "Bull" Luzinksi I don't think Kotsay could hold Jerry Hairston Sr's jock. That guy was an incredible pinch hitter off the bench and came through in the clutch quite a bit, I loved him as a kid

QUOTE (hawksox13 @ Jun 7, 2010 -> 08:18 AM) You probably shouldn't have started at all. It's really a good thing that you are not the GM. Sign Dye? Send a relief pitcher who makes $5.5 million per season to the minors? Send down Beckham and Quentin? Trade for Colvin or Nady from the Cubs? Keep Freddy Garcia and Daniel Hudson in the same rotation? Trade for Ryan Braun, and even worse, make him a pitcher? Those are all terrible moves/ideas. I think he meant the Ryan Braun we have in our system, LOL

If the starters could all pitch to their expectations then yes, this team can turn it around. However, there is no indication of this, our starting stuff has been beyond horrible. Our BP is fairly solid if we can avoid Guillen bringing in Williams in critical situations. I can see our offense coming around, but it all rests on the shoulders of the starting staff. And they look horrible. MB was throwing batting practice yesterday. JFP's arm is dead. Floyd is a basket case. Unless that miraculously changes we're screwed.

A few more performances like that we can put Jenks on the market and get something in return for him

Is anyone else worried that Gordon is a mental midget? I am starting to worry now that mentally he's not strong enough, we're nearing mid June here and I still don't see him breaking out of this....

That was some serious heat there by Thornton

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 10:38 AM) I'd go with this lineup and hope for the best: Pierre/Beckham/Rios/Konerko/Quentin/Kotsay/Ramirez/AJP/Vizquel We're never going to be good unless Beckham can hit at the top of the order and Quentin can bat in the 3-4-5 range, so might as well stick them there and hope they snap out of it. No point in batting them lower in the order, and then worry about the mental aspect if you try and put them higher up again. I agree with this 100%, lets put our best hitters where they should be and hope for the best. I realize GB and TCQ are not producing but there is no reason for that bum Kotsay to be in the 5 slot. No reason whatsoever. This lineup and organization is a complete joke right now.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2010 -> 08:38 AM) Great first 3 innings, as he was pitching to all 4 quadrants. Then, it seemed like he threw every pitch down the plate for the next 3 innings. The Indians players were swinging from their heels against him. His slider was better than against Tampa, but still nowhere near what it used to be. His fastball was better early on, but it seemed like he ran out of gas after 30 pitches. To me his slider was his out pitch last year, really tight with the late breaking action that made him dominant in those few starts we saw out of him in 2009. If he cannot get that back along with his location on the fastball, this is going to get really ugly.

I missed last nights game and don't want to watch the replay for obvious reasons. Can anyone tell me how JFP's arm looked last night? The "sliders" he was throwing against Tampa in his last start were the STRAIGHTEST sliders I've ever seen in my life, it was like he had forgotten how to pitch. Does it seem he's getting some bite back into it and some life in that arm?

My guess is you won't be able to watch games at the same time, almost guaranteed. Secondly, the subscription is only like $100 a year, so just step up and buy it :-P

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 4, 2010 -> 10:04 PM) Can someone explain to me how Omar Vizquel passes Luis Aparicio in hits by a SS when he gets a hit while playing 2B or 3B? I've been wondering this myself. I think Hawk and Stoney are completely missing it on this one

BTW, Alex Rios has been the lone bright spot this year but he alligator armed that Peralta shot off the wall, although I am glad he did rather than risk a broken wrist or arm because despite what Hawk thinks this team is going no where

We should change the subject to: Can we DFA Kotsay now?

The issue with us is that we're not in a situation where we can just sit back and wait like the 2005 Astros did, KW will get some major pressure from JR and the shareholders to drop payroll at any cost come the end of June is my guess. It's hard to say it in June but it's almost like every game now is a must win if they will keep the team together. And regarding AJ I don't see too many takers until the deadline so we may have to deal with his 10/5 clause, just a hunch

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 1, 2010 -> 11:20 PM) Why Quentin and not Ramirez? Ramirez is cheaper and plays a premium position....it's a lot harder to replace a SS than it is to replace a sub-par defensive corner OF/DH with a 720 OPS. I agree to keeping Alexei as well, just don't consider him a nucleus type player, that's all. But you're right, a guy making $1M per putting up .270 20 and 75 with average defense is not easy to replace at SS at all. I have never understood the trade Alexei talk here generally speaking because he's cheap and puts up decent numbers.

On another note, if Ozzie put Beckham in the 8 hole, it would have been interesting to see that matchup with the bases loaded in the ninth. Despite his struggles I would not bat Gordon 9th, and to me this is a SMALL thing that Ozzie did with the lineup that potentially cost us tonight as well. Again, it's nit picky and I know that but I still think he should be batting ahead of Omar.

How sad is it that the BEST player we can bring up is Andy Gonzalez ummmmm I mean Brent Lilibridge?!?!??!?!?!? Truly a sad time to be a Sox fan...

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 1, 2010 -> 10:21 PM) It's unbelievable that you don't get this. I don't give a s*** if he goes 3 for 3 with 3 doubles against Harden and Oliver, he CAN'T be hitting against a man with a completely different makeup than them in the 9th, he didn't have a shot in hell. Alexei was in a good position to succeed up there in the 9th, he just didn't come through it happens. The problem arises when the manager breaks the CARDINAL RULE OF MANAGING: "Always, always, always put your players in the absolute best position to succeed." The Cardinal rule was broken with Omar and it's going to be talked about. Was Nix guaranteed to get a hit? f*** no. Would he have given us a better chance than Omar? Undoubtedly. Taking every opportunity to give your team a better chance to win, a couple players failing earlier in the inning doesn't grant Ozzie a free pass to stop managing when we're down to our final out. That's exactly it. Time and time again Ozzie does NOT put us in the best position to succeed. We've seen it with his decision making on the use of his pitching staff, the lineups he makes, and in some cases bonehead decisions to not make the obvious call to pinch hit for someone such as tonight. I'd say the overwhelming majority of the problematic decisions Ozzie makes, however, is on the use of his pen and leaving the starters in an inning too long. He's probably the worst manager in the league at this and consistently lowers our chances of winning based on these decisions.

None of this matters until we get a manager that can make the right decisions. This is Ozzie's team, and he deserves to take the fall for it and be fired now or at the end of the year along with the majority of his coaching staff. Let's see what kind of prospects we can get for: AJ PK Jenks Buehrle I'd like to keep TCQ, Beckham, Rios, Danks, and Floyd to build around.