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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 08:48 PM) What is the point of testing if we have Anderson there? Unless you're talking about the bat. Saladino was the 3B starter a good chunk last year. Right. We still can't definitively rule out Lawrie as the starter for next season, unless they trade Frazier for minor leaguers, and that still might give us Davidson at 3b.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 02:51 PM) I guess cause the ratings blip you speak of is not important in this case. You are a smart person. You must see what greg sees. Total love of Hillary/Bill in the media. Why else would they censor a SCOOP? They got Bill to say Hillary faints often and they edit it out?? The media just has to have a Democrat in the oval office. I don't know why they aren't more like Limbaugh. Yes he wants a Republican in there, but he knows a Demo makes for better shows cause he hates Demos. Now if a tradiitional Republican gets in there (Trump is a different story; he's not really a Republican) Rush's show is affected cause he can't blast the Republican. If it's a Democrat however, like Bill or Obama or Hillary ... look out. He can rip away and it's much better talk radio. Why do the networks want Hillary so much? This incident is appalling. Sure, for Limbaugh, Fox, O'Reilly, etc. But how would that be beneficial for the "biased" left reporting class who are supposedly supporting her cause? Their lives would be made much easier and entertaining with a Trump presidency. You said it yourself. Trump sells. Hillary is boring, not charismatic, shrill and almost nobody can stand to see her give lengthy policy speeches because she inevitably gets compared to Bill and comes up sorely lacking. For example, Trump just came out with some controversial statements on birth control/abortion. Typically, the Right Wing of the Republican Party would eviscerate one of their candidates for such a remark. Limbaugh could later turn on him and say he was against him the whole time but just desperate to get rid of the Clintons that he swallowed his tongue for the good of the party, Supreme Court and future elections.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 07:16 AM) Who was the last elite closer to be taken in the top 3-5 picks? Go ahead, I'll wait. Tyler Jay wasn't far off. If you look at the packages for Giles and Kimbrel, would you take those or the #5 pick?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 09:08 AM) Which is crazy, because with pretty much every conflict or failed nation state going on around the world right now, Hillary was in favor of bombing it at some point. And which Republicans weren't? Besides Ron/Rand Paul, that is. Besides, I keep reading all over the internet that such a strategy is exactly what we should be following in North Korea and Iran, because the only thing evil dictatorships respond to is fear/dominating firepower...and somehow I have a feeling you won't see any Democrats advocating that strategy, or bombing China, Russia, etc. Btw, which Republicans are in favor of boots on the ground in Syria, Egypt, Yemen, Libya, Pakistan, Ukraine, etc.?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 09:21 PM) How dare CBS protect Hillary by editing comments. https://radio.foxnews.com/2016/09/13/video-...rotect-hillary/ So now the networks get a scoop yet they want Hillary as President so badly they censor their own interview. For the life of me, I don't know why CBS wants Hillary as president so badly. CBS has some explaining to do! With Trump drawing higher ratings and much more coverage, why would they want Clinton? Bigger point, there's a much higher likelihood of war or some random conflict escalating with Trump, and that will play for even higher ratings.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 10:10 PM) I'm not sure Atlanta would do this trade because they are a mess right now and don't know if they have the "need" for Sale that some contenders do. Is this a fair trade? Sale to Atlanta for Freeman, Inciarte, and Tehran. That gives the Sox a young pitcher, a CF, and a left handed middle of the order bat. Inciarte-CF Eaton-RF Abreu-1b/DH Freeman-1b/DH Cabrera-LF Frazier-3B Anderson-SS Lawrie-2b Catcher Q Tehran Rodon Gonzales Fulmer/Shields Moving into new stadium next year, those guys are all part of their core...Teheran would cost the position player equivalent of Rodon (obviously Anderson isn't going anywhere). Something like Ozuna from the Marlins.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 06:50 AM) trivia: Saladino stole 33 out of 37 in 2015 combined AAA/Majors. Unfortunately minor league numbers didn't hold up for Micah Johnson at all. Once you get to AA and above, it's a different story.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-hypocrisy...-045857175.html Passan rips LaRussa to shreds, defends Kapaernick and Adam Jones...

Well, better than Randy Quaid in Vacation or Independence Day...

Thank god for Malcolm X and the Black Panthers or MLK would have been Kaepernicked as well. And at least he's not advocating for a violent overthrow of the government, burning the flag or trying to steal Kate Upton away from Verlander. Maybe he should have simply refused to pay his taxes, claiming the Federal government doesn't have the right...that would have made him a hero to many. Chelsea Clinton would be massacred because her hedge fund running husband lost a lot of his investors' money...that would be used over and over again. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/0...tors_money.html If you're going to do that, at least be successful like Romney or Buffett.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 05:32 PM) 24 teams passed on Mike Trout too. If Burdi is better, then he should close. Not saying he's going to be better but using the fact that 25 teams passed on him is irrelevant. Yes, but high school position prospects from NJ are a lot harder to assess and project. At least compared to closers for legit Division 1 programs with lots of exposure.

QUOTE (b-Rye @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 06:34 PM) Trade Carson Fulmer , avisail Garcia for Jonathon villar, cash, ryan Braun Sign Matt weiters 2/15m Resign Austin jackson 1/1m Sign Doug fister 2 yr/15 m 3b- Jonathon villar Cf- adam Eaton Dh- Jose Abreu Lf- ryan Braun 1b - Todd Frazier Rf- melky cabrera 2b- Brett Lawrie/saldiano C Matt weiters/navarez Ss Tim Anderson Bench Navarez Saladano Austin jackson Matt Davidson or Justin morneau Charlie tilson Sale, quintana, rodon, fister, gonzalez Closer - birdie, setup Robertson, Jones, Putnam , Jennings, ynoa, khanle, petricka, shields (dfa, very short leesh) I think this team can contend without spending tons of cash or trading prospects. Dump the losers (albers, shields, shuck, Turner for good), it has good speed, lots of power, decent defense except corner ofs, good pitching, a decent bench. Maybe sign some free agent minors depth so injuries don't cripple the team like 2016. You're adding four more older players (or injury prone ones) and Villar is the only impact player. That really just delays the inevitable rebuild by yet another year or more. Not to mention the undesirability of adding more PEDs cases to the team. And why would the Brewers want Avi Garcia? He was made for AL play...if that.

The rumor still is that Braun and Puig will be flipped in the offseason. Came within 20 minutes of it happening this time around.

Avi Garcia is the fastest, according to some brilliant minds...that's where you get all these arguments about quickest to top speed, fastest, best range, best top/cruising speed, explosiveness, fast twitch muscles, quick vs. fast, etc. Someone claimed Saladino had the best times to 1b out of the RH batter's box. Infield hits would be another indicator. Eaton's a leader there. Anderson's much more likely to hit into a DP.

Fisk was the better overall player because of position, but at that point in their respective careers, Baines was in his prime and Fisk was nearing the end. Unless you can argue another team would have given up the same package the Rangers surrendered. Of course, as a DH, those players forever be handicapped statistically until they come up with a better stat than WAR. That's how you could also argue a month ago that Avila was "better" than Abreu.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 10, 2016 -> 09:39 PM) God sucks being stuck with Anderson We still don't know if Saladino is capable of everyday play or how well he'd do at SS for 7-10 days. Do we?

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 08:36 AM) Haha ok and how are the White Sox going to be better next year by trading Sale and rebuilding? Your hypothetical situation is 100x more improbable than mine in which they can compete next season with the right signings this offseason. You keep forgetting the Royals have a mutual option on Volquez, so that might not get very far. And the odds of the Sox signing Fowler aren't that great, either. And Wieters will draw a lot more interest than Austin Jackson did for Boras Corp. http://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-so...oncada-a-chance Red Sox need to give Moncada a chance...The Globe is coming after prospect haters.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 07:55 AM) A) your whole argument with SS2K is based on the notion that trading Sale will result in more wins next season which will lead to an increase in attendence so yes you did actually say it without saying it. If you don't think the Sox will win more games next season by trading Sale then why are you even arguing? B) of course you left out Fowler and I stand by my opinion that these 4 acquisitions plus an improved bullpen absolutely put the Sox in a position to compete next season. Already stated this before but the Sox are 7-20 when Ranaudo/Shields/Danks start. Give me an average starter in place of these dopes and that results in a 13-14 record in those games (not asking for much). Consequently, the team is 6 wins better with just that one move: 76-68 or 3 GB of the wild card. Again, that's just addressing 1 spot on the 25 man roster while leaving the rest untouched. The problem is you can do the same thing with the Royals and Tigers. Strip away KC's fifth starter and they're on a pace for 94 wins and the playoffs despite everything else (tepid offense, Soria, injuries, Yost). Take away Sanchez and Pelfrey, the Tigers suddenly become one of the best teams in baseball despite JD Martinez, Castellanos and Maybin missing time.

There's really nobody up to be excited about. Tilson and Narvaez are the only one who factor into 2017....Carlos Sanchez and Coats are filler, unless someone's really still on the Leury Garcia bandwagon. Actually, the biggest concern of most fans might be Avi Garcia turning in another "false positive" reading and steering the front office into status quo inactivity for 2017, other than swapping out managers.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/the-legend-of...-001630360.html And a marketing bonanza as well. No, not Tebow. Shohei Otani.

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 05:32 AM) To think a full rebuild will result in immediate success (I.e. more wins than this season) is one of the sillier arguments I have seen on here in some time. Also, DA and SS2K are absolutely right in that a Sale trade would signal full rebuild to the fans and absolutely negatively impact attendence and overall fan interest next season even if they get a package of Moncada and Benintendi in return. Moncada has struck out in his last 8 at-bats. If that happened in a White Sox uni combined with an OPS in the Carlos Sanchez range over an entire season, which wouldn't be surprising for a kid just getting his feet wet in the big leagues, that's sure to get Sox fans excited and out to the ballpark. Ventura started 0 or 1 for 41 or whatever. Don't recall anyone getting that discouraged about Robin because of his pedigree. Moncada started off quite slowly in the Sally League last year as well. Btw, why would he have that low an OPS (500's) playing in Boston's line-up? A better comp would be Buxton (than Carlos), but Moncada's going to be a much better hitter without the defensive prowess. Would a team of James Shields, Billy Butler, a shaky bullpen, Narvaez, Leury or Sanchez on the roster and Coats/Avi sharing AB's do better attendance-wise if you still kept Sale, Q and Rodon?

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 03:40 AM) From a fWAR perspective, if we want to be a playoff team, we need at least 36 WAR's (~18 offense, 14 starting pitching and 4 bullpen, according to 2015 and 2016 numbers), . Here's how the potential returning players for 2017 could fare: Offense: C - Navaez/whoever the starter is 0.5 WAR 1B - TBD 2B - Saladino - 1.5 WAR 3B - Frazier - 2.5 WAR (if BABIP theory is true) SS - Anderson - 3 WAR (projecting growth in year 2) LF - Melky - 1.2 WAR CF - TBD RF - Eaton - 4.5 WAR DH - Abreu - 2.5 WAR (time to move him DH) Bench - 0.3 WAR Total minus TBD - 16 WAR Ideally we'd move Abreu to DH to hide his shortcomings defensively, however, I do not think the Sox would end up doing that, so whoever they bring in as DH and Abreu would combine to total of 2.5 WAR. We'd need a 2 WAR CF (Ideally 3-4 WAR, if the other players do not meet their projections) to make the lineup at least playoff caliber. So someone like Blackmon, Cespedes, or Inciarte (would make the OF defense much better) would be ideal. Starting Pitchers 1. Sale - 5 WAR (easily 6+) 2. Quintana - 5 WAR 3. Rodon - 3.5 WAR (is 2017 his breakout year?) 4. Shields 0 WAR (could be much worse, please release him) 5. Gonzalez - 1.5 WAR Total 14 WAR Our 1-2 is top notch. Rodon is teasing us in second half again and could put it together next year. Gonzalez is better than expected and should hold his own as number 5. Shields killed us this year, we must release him (though I don't see it happening). If we could get a reliable #4 (~2-3 WAR), this is comfortably a playoff quality rotation. But I'm doubtful we could do anything to improve, and I do not think Fulmer/Burdi will be the answer in 2017. Bullpen 2016 =3.2 WAR, could finish ~3.5. Need more pieces in 2017 But WAR does not factor in how many blown opportunities we had as a team. In a perfect world, we need a more consistent closer (however I think Robertson sticks around, and I do not want to see Jones closing). We definitely need another quality lefty, and another solid contributor. Pencilling in at the moment as Robertson, Jones, LHP FA signing, Jennings, Ynoa, FA Signing or Juan Minaya (I think he has potential) In summary, we have the pieces, should be close to a 30 WAR team, but would need the following to be a contender in 2017: - Another core player, preferably a high end CF - A quality DH - A quality lefty out of the pen - Shields to not wet the bed every time he starts . If Hanh/KW wants to go all in, we need to move Abreu to DH, both the eye test and advance stats tell us he hurts on the field more than he helps. We also need to move Robertson off the closer role and get ourselves a more consistent and reliable closer. To me these two are long shot but are must moves, otherwise we will hang around the WC for much of the year and end up missing by a few games. A lot of people here are projecting Saladino at 2.5+, we'll just have to wait and see on that. I don't think you'll see them going after Kenley J. or Chapman because they'll trade Robertson and move Burdi or Jones into that role to save money or possibly keep all three (definitely won't add another from outside)...of course, as mentioned above, any entire team can fray with one loose end in the bullpen. That 7th inning bridge guy destroyed the Sox (Albers Putnam Petricka), and did the same to the Royals (Hochevar injured, Soria ineffective). How they fix Shields is beyond anyone at this point...and how long they can go with him sinking the ship early before they turn to Fulmer, if he hasn't already been traded. Blackmon and Inciarte are 3-4 war players, so it's going to cost more than we can afford in prospects. Cespedes will either stay or get a cost prohibitive 3-4 year deal. Tilson will be the name we hear far too often. It's unfortunate, because both he and Avi will still be in the conversation and that will be depressing to suffer through all offseason. We'll also hear how acquiring Gordon and Upton wouldn't have gotten the team near the playoffs either. So best to do nothing and hope for the best, right?

There have been VERY FEW pitchers who moved the needle significantly in terms of home attendance. The ones that come to mind in recent years (last decade or so) are Greinke in KC, Halladay in Toronto (even when they weren't good overall), King Felix in Seattle and maybe Kershaw in LA, although to a lesser extent. I think if you tracked all of his Monday - Thursday home starts from 2011-2016, you might find a blip up of something like 300-500 for Sale starts, but it's not significant. Rookie pitchers like Dwight Gooden, Mark the Bird Fidrych, Fernando, Dice-K or Darvish, the Mets' phenoms...those situations are few and far between.

Reverse the 2006 season and have them not collapsing but playing like they did at the beginning of the season. The Tigers and Twins just obliterated them and all fantasies of a dynasty were gone.

Well, you never know, if Salazar isn't the same pitcher he was the first 3-4 months this year (has had a big workload increase), anything's possible. But the Royals and Tigers will be hungry at the start of the season, particularly if the Tigers miss out on the post-season (they're already blowing 2 games in the standings this week) and then the Royals have their final chance with their core all together...and Minnesota's offense has really been impressive the last 6-8 weeks. It's seemingly pretty wide open. Of course, the off season will change things significantly.