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I remember not so long ago when they were trying to dump Manny, Pierre and Andruw Jones. Seems they find themselves in a similar situation with "bad" contracts for Ethier and Crawford, and then the continued presence of Kemp or dealing him seems to be the biggest single offseason issue to be revealed. It doesn't feel like Kemp and Puig can co-exist together forever without combusting again.

The problem is how much in addition to Viciedo that the White Sox would have to give up...if it's anything inside the Top 6-7 minor leaguers, forget it. I'm not even sure I would be willing to give up Bassit and Viciedo unless Maurer came back, an arm with at least bullpen upside. Bassit could end up having a lot of value to the White Sox in 2015 in a number of different roles. http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2014/10/08/chu...-with-saunders/ Lots of insights in this article...seems the Mariners would be better off moving him, with the situation being what it is. As much I love/d Viciedo, it might be the right time for a parting of the ways...and I'm torn about trading Dayan versus using some of our other minor leaguers. http://blogs.seattletimes.com/mariners/201...ship-gone-awry/ In the end, Eaton and Saunders are both injury concerns....and Avisail's coming off his own season of rehab, so it's not unreasonable to think you need FOUR really capable outfielders (and DH candidates). The question is whether you give Dayan one more season or deal him for Saunders and then end up with Jordan Danks/Jared Mitchell or Sierra/Taylor types having to fill in if any of them go down to injury. I'm okay with Saunders, Viciedo, Eaton and Garcia....and then adding one more bat, maybe Michael Morse, even though he's not LH. Saunders essentially replaces DeAza, with Viciedo/Morse getting the majority of DH time and Eaton/Garcia/Saunders sharing AB's there once every couple of weeks. I think that would have been an expected White Sox offseason. Adding someone like Lind/Morse/Morales, Michael Saunders....then patching up the bullpen without going overboard for the top tier guys and finding a couple of additional veteran candidates for the starting rotation.

The big question is whether the Mets feel they're going to be ready to contend in 2015 or 2016, just like the White Sox. What's the rehab status of Matt Harvey at this point? If the Mets are also in a "make a move to improve the club but not all in yet" holding pattern similar to the White Sox 2015 season, then they're probably going to hold off on giving up talent on Ramirez, preferring to player their own youngster/s or acquiring the likes of a Lowrie/Stephen Drew/Scutaro type.

And war for Saunders?

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 9, 2014 -> 08:42 AM) Uh, dude, attendance and TV viewing were both down last year while the team finished 9 games below .500. The Sox were so bad in 2013 that there really was nowhere to go but up in 2014 after signing Abreu. Think of it this way. If not for Abreu, the Sox likely have another 63 game season in the win column in 2014. Abreu offensively carried the entire team all season long. I could be exaggerating a bit but you get the point. Back to Shark. I said it before and I'll say it again. If the Sox are going to use any of their precious few prized prospects, it should be for a pitcher that fits the mold of " the core" the Sox are assembling. Early to mid twenties, team control for at least three/four years, reasonable salary with the potential for an extension at some point etc. Shark is everything but that. There are MUCH better options to spend top prospects on. I think you mean 16 games under .500, but they probably averaged 3-6 games under .500 for two-thirds of the season.

Leslie Nielsen quote.

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 09:47 PM) There are other pitchers that can be had for top prospects that are younger, cheaper, have higher upside and are not a year away from FA, so why are people so focused on Shark? Makes no sense at all. The same reason people want to trade for Heyward. They believe for unknown reasons he'd be willing to extend and not make 20-30% more in free agency. Samardzija as a rental makes a bit more sense to hold a spot for Rodon...but if the asking price is too high, and why wouldn't it be...then forget it.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 08:59 PM) First off, comparing guys who play in such drastically different home ballparks using OPS is less than ideal. Their career OPS+ are 96 for Viciedo, 94 for Saunders. But more importantly, Suanders' career numbers are dragged down by his age 22, 23, 24 seasons. His last 3 seasons wRC+ are 108, 100, and 126. Viciedo's last 3 are 98, 96, 88. I'll reiterate again because so many posters continue to have some rigid old notions about what a typical corner outfielder "needs to provide" that don't have a basis in the current state of MLB offense. There were 21 outfielders in MLB who hit 20 home runs last year. 16 of those were corner outfielders. So about half of the baseball teams have even 1 corner outfielder who hit 20 home runs last year. Of those, some are such a liability defensively that you'd ideally have them at DH or 1B or not on the team. Viciedo leads that list which probably includes Matt Kemp, George Springer, Oswaldo Arcia, maybe Khris Davis. There are less than 20 players in all of MLB who hit 20 home runs last year who should be playing in the outfield. There are 30 baseball teams. Yes but you also have to take uscf into consideration, too. Those players who are consistently going to be in the 675-725 ops range need to bring something else to the table like gold glove defense or game-disrupting speed. Saunders hasn't proven he can stay healthy or put those wRC numbers up playing 150+ games a season. He's probably fine in a platoon but he's unlikely to be an everyday solution. Let's look at it this way...safeco is a park where defense is even more important than uscf. Why wouldn't the m's want to keep him? Because ackley is preferable? The m's had trouble getting offense from cf all last season...and Corey hart Morrison and morales all underperformed. Why trade him? Why not just get victor Martinez and play Rasmus in cf? What would cause him to transform into some type of offensive force in Chicago?

QUOTE (Lillian @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) Don't tell the Mariners, sshh, but Viciedo derives his power from a violent, very hard swing. It may inhibit his ability to ever become a decent hitter. Saunders probably has a better chance to become a decent hitter, while displaying some power. Unlike Viciedo, it doesn't appear that he is trying to kill the ball. That certainly is a nice, fluid swing. It's a little long, which is accentuated by his height, but it is pretty. Lol. See similar comments about Ryan Sweeney. Nearly all lefties look beautiful mechanically.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 12:33 PM) While renting Heyward would be a pure clown move, the Sox wouldn't have to give up Rodon, Anderson or Montas to do so. Please identify the top prospect Tampa received for David Price, a player with another year on his deal, in the extreme July sellers market. Smyly alone put up better numbers in the big leagues than price gave the Tigers. It would be like if the white sox traded Quintana and prospects for price. A lot of people would be saying the Rays got ripped off just based on reputation of the players involved. Maybe not the most knowledgeable ones but certainly the average fan.

Heyward for one year? Look what the royals had to pay for two years of Shields. Not that much. And a lot of Heywards value is defense-based.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 08:36 AM) I'm glad you think your options are fact....even if you're the only 1. Micah and Hawkins is way too much. Micah Johnson doesn't have as much value as assumed if he can't play 2b at mlb average or keep his hamstrings at 100%. In order to play to potential means utilizing his plus speed, so he's going to have to steal 40-60 bases per year and that means a lot of wear and tear on his body. He's already had the throwing problems, which may or may not have been fully rectified.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 07:11 AM) Semien/Micah (whichever one our organization thinks is less likely to start), any minors pitcher the Braves want not named Danish, Montas, Adams, or Rodon, and a maybe a high upside guy like May or Michalczewski. So let's just say Micah, Bassit, and May for Gattis. Sounds like a good deal to me. May has no value to the Braves. Bassit would be the third piece...a possible Santana replacement. Micah and Hawkins and bassit gets it done, but the white sox are high on Johnson as their future 2b.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 8, 2014 -> 08:07 AM) Finally! another one, game looks worse and worse with guys like Puig over Chipper, Konerko, Thome, Jeter, Mo, Youk, Manny, Alfonso, Bobby Abreu, Brian Roberts, Josh Beckett, Dunn, Putz, AJ, and Ibanez...gimme those days back, only a few guys left life Papelbon, Ortiz, Pedrioa, A-Rod unfortunately,miss the old game, baseball and MLB will slowly die if they can't bring that back, it's sad Many think Larry jones, youkilis, manny Ramirez and Beckett are jackasses. Aj isn't too popular outside of Chicago. Ortiz and arod....really?

QUOTE (StRoostifer @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 11:56 PM) Im not so sure a 33 year old Alexei with two years of control is worth a 24 year old Wheeler with 5 years of control. Alexei is passing his prime while Wheeler has his ahead of him still. I think Alexei is a bit over valued as fans sometimes do. Remember how plenty of people were disappointed with the return on players like Rios, Santiago, Peavy etc? Wait until you guys see the return for Alexei if he is traded. Avy Montas and Rondon wasn't good enough?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 10:04 PM) I don't necessarily want Gattis to be honest. I just think your assessment of Gattis's value in Sox prospects is excessive. Sorry that the other options bore you though, if they may be more realistic. There are more than just 6 prospects in the Sox system If avy Garcia had put up his last two seasons in another organization, how much would you be willing to give up to acquire him now? The reason I ask is because you can make an argument that Gattis has even more value because 1) his bat is more proven and 2) he can give you at least 80-100 games at catcher in an era when offense is virtually non-existent from that position. Finally I don't think the Braves are willing to take Hawkins until he has success for at least three months in Birmingham. By that point the white sox might decide the calculus of risk for trading him is too high.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 07:55 PM) Because Caulfield is on one of his negativity streaks and needs Anderson to the centerpiece of a horrible trade to fit his narrative. Let's hear exactly who you would trade for Gattis. Kyle hasn't answered that question either. Maybe there's a belief we are fine with Tyler Flowers and Kendrys morales next year.

Because it's boring to read over and over again how packaging Sanchez, Beck and Ravelo will lead to the acquisition of nearly every player in baseball...or Tyler Danish for that matter. If there are two polar opposites, the truth has to be somewhere in the middle. Which means giving up Montas and/or Hawkins. It's not being negative to assume the Braves will ask for Tim Anderson. Who else would they ask for? Dick Allen has been arguing for victor Martinez for days...is everyone negative that votes no? I'm more than happy to trade for Gattis to dh catch and play outfield occasionally. I'd probably give up Hawkins or Danish but I wouldn't trade Anderson or Montas. So let's hear exactly who everyone would trade for Gattis? I notice that question hasn't been answered.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 10:54 PM) McCann was a flop, therefore Gattis will be also? Tim Anderson? You are all over the place Gattis, as mentioned above, would have had the fourth best dh performance in the al. The Braves will look to trade Heyward and upton as both will be lost as free agents. The Braves like evan's bat ... And prefer another catcher defensively. They also feel his bat will play even bigger not having to catch regularly. You tell me who the white sox would have to give up for a proven young cost-controlled player if it's not Anderson?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 7, 2014 -> 12:50 PM) Jesus, people who actually do this for a living think Rasmus will get 3/36? Haha that was my exact prediction.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 08:39 PM) Assuming the medicals looked ok, I would do this trade in heartbeat. I think certain people are overplaying CarGo's home/road splits here. As Eminor3rd mentioned, a lot of players are significantly better at home and I've read some theories on a Coors Field hangover effect that actually widens the gap. Let's say you make this trade and then sign Melky Cabrera. With no other changes you could be looking at the following lineup: 1. Adam Eaton, CF 2. Marcus Semien, 2B 3. Melky Cabrera, DH/LF 4. Jose Abreu, 1B 5. Carlos Gonzalez, LF/RF/DH 6. Avi Garcia, RF/DH 7. Conor Gillaspie, 3B 8. Tyler Flowers, C 9. Alexei Ramirez, SS As long as you have a platoon partner for Conor, that has the potential to be a very dangerous lineup. How are u going to afford those two massive salaries and make any other improvements to the team? We'd all love to plug Hanley Ramirez and cargo or ramirez and MeCabrera etc into the lineup. You're going to trade Danks somehow? Because those two salaries added will make improving the rotation and bullpen next to impossible.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 6, 2014 -> 08:16 PM) His .493 slugging% is only behind VMart, Cruz, and Ortiz among DHs last year, so while yes, his bat is more valuable as a DH it's not like he'd be a bad offensive DH. Then you have the uncertainty of the NL transition to AL...McCann was a flop. That doesn't mean Gattis will automatically end up like Dunn or McCann or any number of other examples, but there's been a pretty consistent trend of reduced performance when switching leagues (especially the first year, NL to AL). Obviously, it didn't end up bothering Eaton too much, as a counterexample. Some players can adjust much more quickly. The question is would Hahn be willing to give up Tim Anderson for Gattis? Or wouldn't it be a better use of resources to find a DH on the free agent market, someone between Adam Lind and Victor Martinez.

One of the few examples (other than Fast and Furious) where the series kept its momentum or improved over time. It's pretty unprecedented with animation.

Huge offensive addition, but there's lot of indications he's 1) not very good defensively and 2) most of his allure comes from his hitting, but when you move him to DH/LF then you lose a lot of his positive positive as we all know the average offensive numbers from the catching position have been on the decline for a decade. If you could CONFIDENTLY play him at 3B, then I'd consider it, but that's probably the equivalent of Viciedo or Teahen over there, at best. Then you're left deciding to pay a big-time free agent as your DH or give away a lot of talent to acquire an asset, which wouldn't make a lot of sense at this point in the rebuild...since we don't have a surplus of prospects unless you consider Sanchez to be one. Sanchez/Beck/Ravelo for Gattis would be laughed off the phone.

So Montas is our own version of Tyler Kolek but 2-3 years ahead of him in development. Not bad to get what is essentially a return of two Top 100 prospects for Jake Freaking Peavy.