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QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 08:15 AM) I think I need a drink You can submit your apology to me anytime you'd like.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 08:02 AM) score says either weathers or affeldt part of the deal..... YES! My long ago prediction will come to fruition!

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 07:53 AM) OK. DaVanon is a 35 year old journeyman outfielder, so he has no trade value. Lucy's knee is wrecked and he's a catcher whose main value is in his defense, so, nothing there either. Jose Martinez may have some value as a low level prospect, though. DaVanon = I was joking

QUOTE (Texsox @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 07:49 AM) I'm old and at the end of my career, two months is all I got Are you still looking for 160 mil over 8 years in the offseason?

Already got Poreda's autograph just in case...

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 08:47 AM) PTBNL could be a signal that its someone on the DL. Are any of our minor league prospects on the DL right now? The only ones I know of are Jose Martinez and Donny Lucy. Jeff DaVanon. Nobody significant.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 07:41 AM) You said they gave up practically nothing. If the Sox gave up Mark Grace for a Boras rental player you would be up in arms. Kotchman is a serious 1B, who should put up similar OPS to Konerko throughout his career. Trade 5 for 1, then 1 for 2. Could have gotten more. I would have asked for two more pitchers at least. But, will Kotchman develop the kind of power that Konerko's had?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 08:32 AM) Practically nothing? I wouldnt call Kotchman nothing. Would a young Konerko moving into his prime be considered nothing to you? The Jurrjens/Renteria trade was brilliant for Frank Wren, so I hope that is the case with this one. I just think the Braves could have gotten more for him, they did trade 5 guys to get him in the first place. And, nobody thought then that the Braves could afford to resign him. Kotchman isn't nothing, he just seems like an Overbay/Grace type more than a Konerko type to me.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 08:26 AM) Well, baseball is filled with guys who have done it in the minors and could never translate that to MLB success. I'm not worried about Cunningham, like Rowand or Josh Reed, he's not a great fit for Comiskey...where you need outfielders who can consistently hit 25-35 homers. More of a 5th outfielder, I think, long-term. Carter could be great...but so could Brandon Allen. Who knows? That's why the minor leagues are so interesting...there are so many cases like Buehrle, Piazza, Pujols, Alexei Ramirez...where talent flies under the radar or is undervalued or underestimated. Jeez, I'm taking a beating here. Anyway, just stating my opinion. Seems like Richar is a really good AAA player, whereas Cunningham could be better. That trade seems unnecessery now. Gio's character is irrelevant compared to his talent. Like I said, I prefer a balanced approach. But, I understand how you guys feel when it comes to winning right now.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 08:21 AM) You would be happier then if BB were GM and we had the best young talent pipeline in the majors because all of the 4-6 year players are inevitably traded before they start making more than $10+ million per season? I think Minnesota fans would have appreciated for Ryan to have a touch of KW's aggressiveness...that one extra move could have put them over the top one of those four seasons out of five that they were in the playoffs. You're right about Minnesota. But, I'd just rather see a balanced approach. Look at the Angels, they gave up practically nothing to get Teixiera. Even if he is a rental, that doesn't hurt at all. The Braves could have gotten more for him. Schuerholtz would have.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 08:16 AM) Yes, I have seen Gio pitch....I know, I know, he's the second coming of Barry Zito with a better heater. Seriously, Matt Guerrier was also the next Greg Maddux, according to Lloyd McClendon. I don't believe any hype unless it's backed up by results at the big league level...there have been too many Joe Borchards and Jason Dellaero's in my lifetime to justify getting excited by a future HOFer who is traded not once but twice by the same GM whose one strength is identifying talent that's struggling or undervalued/underappreciated. I certainly see your point, I just think Gio and Aaron Cunningham, maybe even Chris Carter, will come back to haunt the White Sox. Carter's raking by the way. I just hope Quentin maintains his current level of success over the years. Because all three of those guys could crack Oakland's lineup sooner than you think. Especially Gio.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 08:15 AM) By almost any yards stick, K-Dub has been one of the top GMs in baseball the past few seasons. I'll take the days in first place and WS yardsticks. To claim he overpaid, you would have to know what the other team was willing to accept in trade. You could always try and underpay, but you could wind up with zero deals done. I'm a minor league guy, I don't like losing prospects. That's just how I feel. I don't like the fact that the White Sox only see their minor leaguers as trade bait and not as future stars.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 08:10 AM) JPN, if KW actually trades for David Weathers, I think I'd owe you a monster apology...LOL I just used Weathers as an example, but he could be involved in this deal somehow.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 07:44 AM) Overpaid on Jenks. Check. Overpaid on Danks and Masset. Check. Overpaid on Floyd. Check. Really overpaid on Alexei Ramirez. Check. Overpaid on Quentin big-time. Freddy Garcia...yeah, Reed and Morse became perennial All-Stars. Seriously, besides Chris B. Young (Mike Cameron Jr. in disguise) and Swisher, what talent have we actually given up? If you really believe Ryan Sweeney will hit 15-20 homers some day, that DeLosSantos will recover like Liriano from surgery, and that Gio's frame will stand up, well maybe that's a loss. Would anyone trade to re-acquire Chris Young for Quentin straight-up right now. If you want to go back into the past, you can cite the Todd Ritchie trade as probably the worst...Fogg and Wells had decent careers, and Lowe was serviceable (I think it was Sean Lowe, if memory serves correctly?) In trades...you never know how prospects will pan out, especially if you don't develop them. Have you actually seen Gio pitch? Have you met him? If you had, you would want him on your team forever. Teams can have success by developing players, look at the Brewers, Braves, or even the Red Sox.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 06:40 AM) That would be like paying 100 dollars for a single cheeseburger at McD's. Reds fans think that we just gave the Reds money for him, or a low level minor leaguer. NOBODY in baseball would trade Fields for Griffey, and if KW did it, he would be flamed uncontrollably. Expect the worse, hope for the best. I hope you're right.

QUOTE (Sox It To Em @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 06:34 AM) This is dumb. Ken Griffey Jr. is way over the hill. Please tell me we gave up next to nothing. KW always overpays, I bet waiters and waitresses love him. It'll be at least three players going to Cincy, otherwise I'd be shocked.

Crede's about to start a rehab assignment with Charlotte, so Fields might be involved as well.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 31, 2008 -> 06:23 AM) The only way I dont mind this trade is if we did not trade Fields, Poreda or Shelby Edit: actually i hope they didnt trade Brandon Allen either Unfortunately, I think Poreda and Shelby will be involved if the Reds are smart. The Reds will definitely want arms, so I could see either Richard, Cassel, Poreda or Broadway going. The Reds would be fools not to ask for Shelby, especially if they trade Dunn. Anderson could be involved too. The Reds won't want a first baseman, don't worry about Brandon Allen. To make matters worse, Shelby did not play in yesterday's Warthogs game.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 28, 2008 -> 02:06 AM) PIRANHA SIGHTING You are correct, sir!

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 07:42 PM) Chris Getz, cleanup hitter. In the minors, they tend to put the hot bats in the middle of the order, no matter who they are. Getz and Richar have been hitting cleanup a lot lately.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 27, 2008 -> 03:50 PM) He was released the other day, in the starting lineup for Charlotte today. There's your big move, folks. Charlotte had an open roster spot, but I think David Cook is dinged up. He has missed 4 games in a row.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jul 26, 2008 -> 11:54 PM) First off Sam Adams....overrated and overpriced. Second, Salvador went on leave for a death in the family. I forget who so I won't guess, but that was why he missed some time. His bereavement leave was back in June. He's played in every Warthog game for about 5 or 6 weeks straight. I think you guys are confusing him with Jose Martinez or Jerry Owens.

QUOTE (scenario @ Jul 26, 2008 -> 10:38 PM) Winston-Salem wins 11-2. Anthony Carter with a very nice outing and win. 6 innings; 0 runs on 3 hits; 3Ks; and 3 BBs. John Shelby and Billy Killian with 3 hits apiece. Paulo Orlando with 2 hits and two walks. Freddy Thon with 2 hits and two RBIs. Salvadore Sanchez back in the lineup after getting off the DL... 2 hits and 2 RBIs CJ Retherford with a hit and two walks. Salvador Sanchez hasn't been on the DL.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 25, 2008 -> 04:07 PM) Sorry, but I disagree. That is too broad of a statement. Now, if you said "several teams/organizations" I could agree wiuth you on that. Really I think the most ridiculous thing to come out of this trip to the DL for Joe is that all our naysayers are now out there writing him off and I just don't see that at all. Jowe will be back and Josh most likely will be sent down in 2 weeks. Had he done what he'd done in 2007 for another team, I don't see how he would wind up back in AAA.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 25, 2008 -> 05:34 PM) This thread should be changed to "Nothing brewing" I was just letting you guys know that the Atlanta brass was at the Barons game. Seemed strange to me.