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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 12:03 PM) Korver's problems were on the offensive end just as much as the defensive end. Martin can create his own shot, doesn't need the entire team to set up screens for him, and can get to the line 8 times a game. Korver just blacked out after the Indiana series. He was pretty decent for most of the year. My point was that you'd still be looking at a one way player, something that could be problematic come playoff time.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) JP had a prime? I don't want any kind of incarnation of Juan Pierre. Young, old or inbetween young and old. Juan Pierre was a 4-5 WAR player in Florida. Mostly because he played CF and was good at it. But I think he had one season where he hit .330 and actually had a slugging percentage above .400.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 11:50 AM) There are far worse role players out there. In the NL, I'd love to at worse, have a guy like Pierre on my bench. I cna pinch run for him and even if he isn't the same base stealer he once was, he's still an above average base runner that would be of great use in a late game situation. I could also use him as a pinch-hitter to start off an inning or as a pinch-bunter. And I am hard pressed to think that in just one year his defense has completely regressed from being an above average LFer (which he was last year defensively) to utter crap defensively. In fact, while it might not have been a great play yesterday, I didn't have any problem with it and by and large his arm is what sucks about his defense. His range has been fine most of the year (sans his early hiccups). But people here love to overreact and talk in pure absolutes. And contrary to the statiticians below (IMO), there is value in a guy that can smack hits, even if it is just singles. Singles are still a valuable commodity in the world and you don't always have to slug. Do I want Pierre back as a starter, would I prefer a different leadoff hitter, absolutely, but Pierre was solid last year and people still acted like he was the worse left fielder in the game. I get it, a lot of you are going to hate to hate cause its the cool or fun thing to do, but lets not pretend like the Sox are the only team that would have Pierre on there roster and worse yet, that since no one else would pick him up, he's the worse position player in the majors. Sorry, I'm not buying it. I thought Pierre was fine last year. He provided defense, good base running, and an okay OBP for a leadoff hitter. But this year is a completely different story. He's costing the team on defense (by almost all statistical measures and by the screw-ups everyone has seen), he's incredibly inefficient on the base paths, and his hitting is what I expected it to be. If you add all of those things up, it equals negative contribution. When you have Viciedo mashing in the minors and Brent Lillibridge hitting like Jose Bautista every now and then, there's no reason for Pierre to touch the starting lineup. I know it is hard to believe that a player can regress as much as Pierre has at base running and fielding in just one year, but it's not totally abnormal for guys like him to regress heavily. He's actually made it pretty far for a guy who relies on speed and speed alone.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 11:46 AM) Well I assume he would move to LF, as Rios seems pretty entrenched in CF. And Rios seems like the type of mental midget that would be bothered by the thought of having to play a position he's never played before. The only reason I even mentioned Bourn is because he's only got one more arb year left until he becomes a FA and I've heard the Astros wouldn't mind dealing him. You know Ozzie would be drooling at the thought of slappy 3.0. And KW would happily oblige him. Michael Bourn is a better version of Juan Pierre. Or at least Juan Pierre in his prime, who happened to be a pretty good player. Regardless of how slappy he was.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 11:37 AM) My legal department will be contacting you shortly for not citing my trademark on Kevin Martin = perfect Bulls fit. He's far from a perfect fit. He still can't play a lick of defense. You'd have the same problems you had with Korver this season.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 11:37 AM) You guys are out of your mind if you don't think someone would pick up Juan Pierre if the Sox released him (no they wouldn't take on his contract, but they'd take him at the major league minimum). And no, he wouldn't need to go to the minors either. And that isn't me defending Juan, it is more calling all of you out for making stupid reactionary statements. Which team would want a .260 hitting corner outfielder with a slugging percentage 30 points lower than his on base percentage who can't field, can't steal bases, and is in his mid-30s already? No sane team would want him just for the hell of it, it'd be out of necessity, even if it's for the league minimum.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 11:29 AM) I'd rather have him in the lineup than Dunn or Rios right now. Whatever happened to Pierre DHing? That might actually be a good thing for the team this year.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 10:57 AM) Serious question: If JP were released today is there a team that would pick him off waivers? I doubt it. And here Ozzie is starting him, no less. His most valuable asset was always his speed and he covered a lot of ground in the outfield and got to balls others wouldn't, but even that seems to be gone. He doesn't get on base enough and he can't steal even when he does. What's the point? No sane team would.

Just read some stuff about how the Warriors were talking to the Bulls, along with a bunch of other teams, about Monta Ellis. Ellis is a good player, but he's a volume scorer, something the Bulls don't need. The Bulls lacked efficiency last season, they didn't have any great shooters. Deng and Rose hovered around a .550 TS% and they were the only starters you would trust to shoot the ball on a regular basis. Get somebody who can give you well above average efficiency and can shoot more than Keith Bogans and you have yourself a match. Kevin Martin is a better player to look at IMO.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 11:07 AM) Pretty stupid if you ask me. What the hell is Butler going to be able to give them at this point? Udonis Haslem turned the series around for Miami in the ECF. So who knows?

Didn't Carlos start killing the ball at this time last season too? I remember him going on a huge tear before the ASB and then going back to being bad after getting hurt against the Angels.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 9, 2011 -> 09:26 AM) Except of course once we got to hear him speak, he was nothing of the sort. But you go ahead and assume that based on nothing. He was probably told to be quiet about it. Rumor has it that he was promised the Sox would draft him.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 10:23 PM) The Sox have 2 batters around 200, so you were saying? Rios is terrible, I'll say that much, but at least Dunn has an average OBP, regardless of how many times he strikes out. My point was that NL teams aren't centered around on base percentage or batting average.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 10:19 PM) The team doesnt exist, but that is the goal of creating a NL style offense, high batting average and high obp. The Sox offense does neither of those things well, I was merely stating that if I could trade the Sox offense for an offense that got a ton more hits and was better on base, Id gladly give up some hrs, because I just cant stand watching a game and hoping that we hit 2-3 hrs or else we cant score. Its just frustrating. I'm pretty sure it's hard for an NL team to out-hit an AL team since they have a .200 hitter batting 2-3 times a game. Plus, when NL ball is symbolized by small ball, I'm not sure it's encouraging getting on base.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 10:15 PM) Where have I said that I would prefer NL style to an actual AL offense? I said Id prefer a team that can get on base a lot compared to OUR CURRENT OFFENSE. You really prefer the White Sox offense, to a team that averaged over 300 and got on base at a 370+ clip and scored a bunch of runs? I couldnt disagree more. Sox offense is pathetic this year. That team doesn't exist.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 10:12 PM) Why would you ever want to do that playing 81 games at the Cell? BECAUSE WE SHOULD MOVE THE FENCES 100 FEET BACK. Because you know, offense is on a huge rise in baseball, not in the worst shape since the 1980s.

Quick J4L, say something along the lines of Brandon League being too good and that the Sox have no chance. The last time you did it, the Sox scored 4 off of Soria. lol

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 10:09 PM) Ozzie just jizzed in his pants when he was the suicide squeeze on. "O muh gawd. I shood do dat!" Watch him do it when we're down by 3 or something.

I haven't been this pissed about a game for this team since the first two weeks of the season. f***ing Pierre.

Why is it that there's always one player Ozzie won't bench but is absolutely horrendous every single season?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 10:04 PM) Why in the hell would you throw him a fastball there? Ugh, terrible pitch selection. Truth be told, Santos looked awful in the 9th inning and should have never started this inning. Hey greg....THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T BUNT Olivo's killed us in this game, mostly because they've given him pitches high and over the plate to hit.

Pierre is horrible everywhere.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 03:11 PM) Why does Rios deserve the 5 spot? f*** that, put Lillibridge at 5, Castro at 6, Beckham at 7, Morel at 8, and Rios 9th. He definitely should hit 9th.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 11:40 AM) Anyone see chuck garfien's post-game interview with Humber. He basically laughed in Humber's face about how he was released so many times. (Haha, sure you were "DFA'd" hahahaa." Humber: dead faced) More fuel to add on the fire of Phil Humber.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 8, 2011 -> 11:02 AM) Because of the positions they play, Alexei might be the leader at this point. Quentin could make it, but I think Joyce, Granderson, and Bautista are ahead of him. Alexei should definitely be on the team. If he isn't, I don't even know how to comprehend that.