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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:42 PM) Don't we have Pena [gulp] to fill this role? And I hate Pena. We're kind of short in the bullpen right now. Plus, Gorzelanny's an actual starter. Pena's just an emergency one.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) FAIL The metal band. I am metalally retarded. Sorry.

Since the Cubs have an extra starter in their rotation now, it might be possible to steal one away from them. I'm looking at Tom Gorzelanny. He's cheap, he's versatile, and he was pretty damn good last year. It seems like the Cubs don't like him all that much. He was dangled at the trade deadline last year, but for whatever reason, he stayed put. Gorzo can slot into the 5th spot in the rotation until Peavy returns. When Peavy returns, he can be the long or left handed middle reliever in the bullpen. It's a move that makes a lot of sense. He won't make more than a couple million this year and is arb-eligible for either two or three more seasons. As for who to send to the Cubs...at the most, you probably give away somebody like Santos Rodriguez. At the least, a couple of raw A or AA players. Gorzelanny's numbers last year: 136.1 INN, 4.09 ERA, 3.92 FIP.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 09:31 AM) Fiscally responsible and the Yankees? HA! Cashman's trying to play it stingy this off-season to non-returning and non-ultra important icon ex Yankees this year. He said he wouldn't give up his first round pick for Balfour, Soriano, or Pavano.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) cubs got a younger version of Javier Vazquez. He's like the opposite of Javy. Javy was great peripherals, mediocre ERA. Garza is decent ERA, mediocre peripherals.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) You actually know Cubs fans that aren't baseball stupid? I'm looking at Cots. It says he has 3 arb years remaining. His service time is only at 2.149. I thought he had been around longer than that for some reason. Yes, surprisingly.

Since the Cubs now have an abundance of starters, anyone think Kenny can call Hendry up and ask him for Gorzelanny? He's going to be relatively cheap for the next two seasons, can start, can be a long reliever, also grew up as a Sox fan. Not to mention he put up nice numbers last year in the very role we need somebody in right now (somebody to start until Peavy comes back).

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 12:38 PM) And your thoughts on GWAR? Great Wars are Remembered?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 01:16 PM) He does. So wouldn't he only be arb-eligible for two more years? Or is his service time not over 5 after the next two years?

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 12:34 PM) under arbitration control for 3 more seasons including 2011, which makes it a better deal for the Cubs. Again, mixed on this from the Cubs... they get a good young pitcher who they control money wise for 3 years and could always buy a year or two of that for an extra year or so. However, on paper I just don't see how it helps them compete in a more significant way this year. I like it far more as a 2012-13 move than 2011, but then they're going to have to replace guys coming off the books, grant it many of them are old and not fantastic, but unless something drastic happens the Ricketts won't have mega money to spend and even if you do, as the NYY proved this year, money doesn't always win out. I thought Garza already has one year of arb-eligible season under his belt.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 11:46 AM) Can't deny this is a good move for the Cubs, too. But they're still a distant 4th behind the Reds, Brewers and Cardinals. A lot of the Cubs fans I know who aren't baseball stupid hate it. Perhaps they're overrating their own prospects, but I think they know this team isn't good enough right now to go and try to compete this year. Hendry's probably gonna sign Garza to an extension, which would be stupid considering Garza isn't the type of pitcher you should build around.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 11:19 AM) More than one publication compares Archer to everyone's friend here, Edwin Jackson. I like the deal for the Cubs. Edwin Jackson was once one of the best prospects in baseball. I'd say Jackson's about as good as Garza and still has room to improve. They're pretty similar pitchers, but Jackson's ceiling is higher. Mostly because Edwin actually has a very good out pitch in his slider. Garza's just fastballs blazing.

QUOTE (3E8 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 11:10 AM) Well, twice if you use bWAR, which I find to be more accurate for pitchers than fWAR. I think he's safely a 3-win pitcher. But you're right, not an elite guy. I was gonna say more than 3.2, but I got lazy. He's usually been around the 3 win mark. He probably had his best aesthetic year last season with the 15 wins and the no hitter, but realistically, he wasn't all that good in terms of peripherals. I think Hendry got tricked by the wins, the no hitter, and Garza's slightly deceiving ERA. Watch him give Garza a 4 year extension soon.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 11:09 AM) So, in terms of the Rays as AL competition, they give up a guy from their rotation and they get a couple guys who were old for AA last year but might fill holes on their MLB roster this year...and 2 solid prospects...one of whom is a pitcher who just arrived at AA last year, the other is a SS who was in single A last year...so the Rays essentially get no real strong help for this year's roster (Yeah they have other pitchers who can step in I know, just looking at their MLB roster from this trade). They can use Sam Fuld...lol.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 11:05 AM) I would have loved for Lee to stay with the Cubs. I would have had a blast teasing the Cubs fans about their SS named Ju-Lee. Only the Cubs would play a girl at SS in the MLB! Ju's part of his first name. FanGraphs' take on Garza: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/m...s-aaron-harang/ If you don't want to read it, basically, they say Garza's a slightly better version of Aaron Harang and that his ERA might not drop as much as some of us are expecting.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 11:00 AM) Archer and Lee I think, in that order. What he said.

QUOTE (Chi Town Sox @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 10:51 AM) Agreed, but then you think of 2010 and what Mark Kotsay would have done in that position Pull the ball to the right side for a easy DP ball. Every. Single. Time.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 10:50 AM) Sadly, he's rarely been healthy for us. This is true.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 10:44 AM) Many Cubs fans are calling it a better package that what we used to get Peavy. So you can bet if it was us trading those spects for Garza it would be a s***-show on here. Peavy's also a much better pitcher than Matt Garza when healthy. The Cubs gave up their future SS and their number one ranked prospect for a 2 or 3 starter, I wouldn't call that a good deal for them.

QUOTE (DOWNTOWN PANTHER @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 10:43 AM) I would tell you that the Reds were better off with the young team they had this year. Which included Gomes. Gomes from a chemistry viewpoint fits better with this team than Dunn would have. So yes, I would rather have Gomes than the logjam on the basepads. Guys. Dont get me wrong. Im not here to rain on the Sox. I hope the Sox do well. Im just saying that Adam Dunn hits Home Runs and thats it. He is a liability on the bases, and will limit your lineup from a "get em on, get em over, and get em in" point of view. He hits alot of his home runs in meaningless times. It seems his power numbers are inflated by a pitchers concessions when the game is out of reach, or just all together meaningless. Jonny Gomes isn't any faster than Adam Dunn. He might look like he's trying to run faster, but he's not fast. As for the chemistry thing, it's not like Adam Dunn's a bad guy or anything.

The Reds didn't get the max value out of Dunn because they played him in the OF. That's part of the reason why the Reds were so bad. For every run Dunn produced, he cost them probably 3/4 of a run in the OF. That's not going to be an issue anymore since we have the luxury to stick him at DH. The Reds didn't get better because they were without Adam Dunn, they got better because of Joey Votto, Brandon Phillips, Jay Bruce, and their cheap, young and talented pitchers in 2010. Hell, you're telling me you'd rather have Jonny Gomes' butcher glove in LF and his average bat instead of Adam Dunn?

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 10:16 AM) Garza turned in 3 straight years in the AL East with ERA's under 4.00. He could do really well in the NL. If he can pull a Ted Lilly, then yeah. Cubs gave up their first and fourth best prospects for Garza. Rays did well IMO.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 10:07 AM) Is that Hak Ju-Lee guy the SS that is so good defensively that he was supposed to move Castro to 2b? Yup.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 10:02 AM) the speed of Thome did play a factor in it. I'm not saying I don't like him in the lineup I think he will help alot, especially compared to Kotsay. It's just that these types of players drive me crazy because there are borderline pitches they will walk on when a hit would be better. Also the strikeouts don't benefit anything and they will strikeout 3x as much as they hit a HR. Sure it did, but the runner's speed on first has less of an effect on a double play than the runner running to first. Of course, it didn't help that Konerko hit behind Thome for the majority of Thome's time here. BTW, Dunn's K rate in RISP situations is 7% lower than his career K rate. His walk rate is also 7% higher than his career walk rate.

Matt Garza's pretty overrated if you ask me. He hasn't been worth more than ~3 WAR in his career yet. A lot of potential, not great results. He's a nice 2 or 3 option, but he's nothing great.