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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) BA's Rule 5 preview does not list any Sox players in the top 5 rated players. https://www.baseballamerica.com/minors/2017...yYWagf92Hiyg.97 No they don't. Jordan Guerrero will almost assuredly get selected however

At this point, I don't think Stanton gets moved. Miami will get that roster and just keep Stanton on it. He has a NTC and he has the right to veto any deal. However, those big market teams have severe luxury tax concerns. I don't think he ends up in LA, NY, or with the Cubs for that matter. It doesn't make sense. The Marlins would need to take salary back from the Dodgers in order to move him and that doesn't seem like something they are willing to do. I would be all for the White Sox taking on Adrian Gonzalez and Scott Kazmir in order to obtain prospects as well. That type of scenario doesn't make sense for the Dodgers though. I can't see them trading prospects to move big salaries and then trading more prospects to take on Stanton's deal. It's fine that he doesn't want to go to San Francisco or St. Louis. I think he ends up playing on a terrible Miami club moving forward though unless he expands the list.

Rumors leak out about Sox discussing Abreu but nothing comes to fruition. Sox trade for a Rule 5 pick and select RHP Nick Burdi and LHP Nestor Cortes.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 12:53 PM) Yours and many others. You know how it is when there's an offseason lull like this. I don't think I've said that since the weekend. Sorry my post didn't have the word poop in it.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 12:38 PM) Weeks and weeks of repeating things over and over and over again ??‍♂️ Thank god the winter meetings are next week. Was this in reference to my post?

The White Sox need to either extend Abreu or trade him. Holding him on his current deal while the team will be bad doesn't really make much sense. If he wants to stay forever and take a discount, then I think Hahn will be amenable. If he wants market value though, I think we see him moved. 4 year $70 million extension is the most that I'd think we see.

QUOTE (kwill @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 07:43 PM) Does anybody else think they may look at the market on Mike Moustakas? As it stands the White Sox really don't have a 3rd baseman. He is going into free agency on the younger side at 29 years old and won't command a long contract. If the price gets dropped to 5/70 million maybe with some dollars front loaded to add more appeal wouldn't the White Sox have to consider. The last year he would be playing at age 33 which means you should be getting mostly prime years. He was an above average defender until last year when he became just slightly below which could have been an off year defensively. Travis Sawhik wrote an interesting article coming to the conclusion that his power is real and could probably play even better in our park compared to a stadium like Kauffman that is a pitchers park. Next years crop of 3Bs to me is not very good beyond Machado and Donaldson. I never put any stock in us actually being contenders next year for Manny Machado as the dollars and years would scare the Sox off. Josh Donaldson would be going into the following year at 33. I think this would allow Jake Burger to take his time in the minors like we are doing with Collins. The White Sox could see how he develops, move either Burger or Moustakas when Abreu's contract is up. No. They would have to give up their 2nd rounder to sign Moustakas. Not happening.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 01:22 PM) Longenhagen said the bat looks a lot slower now than it did when he signed. Not saying I don't wish we had him, but I can get down with not ruining next years plans to give him $2mm+ as a solid call. Sox are in penalty next year too. Nobody is an option unless it's for $300K

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 04:36 PM) Levi Weaver @ThreeTwoEephus Available budgets for remaining Ohtani finalists: Rangers ($3.53m), Mariners ($1.57m), Angels ($1.315m), Cubs ($300k), Padres ($300k), Dodgers ($300k), Giants ($300k) James Fox‏ @JamesFox917 24m24 minutes ago This is true but #Rangers, #Angels and #Mariners can still acquire more international money. Texas can acquire around $1.5 million, Seattle can acquire $2-$2.5 million, and LA can acquire roughly $2 million. This is my tweet so I'll elaborate: Rangers: Have $3.53 million. They can acquire roughly $1.5 million more. Total: $5 million. Mariners: Have $1.57 million. They can acquire $2-$2.5 million more. Total: $3.5-$4 million Angels: Have $1.315 million. They can acquire $2 million. Total: $3-$3.5 million.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 11:07 AM) Where did you find this? I'm not at liberty to say.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 4, 2017 -> 10:29 AM) I still think in my ideal scenario, we would have done what the Niners did. On paper, what an oustanding off-season, from getting a head coach I like, to buying a bunch of picks to getting your QB for a 2nd rounder (Jimmy G). No one could have predicted that would happen but job well done by Lynch (on paper). I still have zero problem with what Pace did (in regards to Trubisky) but I still think the smarter move would have been overpaying for Alshon to ensure you have at least one real pass catcher (and it wasn't like we were tight on cap space). Then again, I legit don't think the Bears expected Trubisky to play this year. Couple things from here: Alshon Jeffery wasn't staying in Chicago. He didn't want to live or play here anymore. Garoppolo was not available around the draft. Had he been, I think the Bears would have considered trading their 2nd rounder for him but the price at the time was much bigger than that. John Lynch made a couple nice moves but he also traded draft picks to move up in the 3rd round so that he could waste a 3rd rounder on QB CJ Beathard. I'd rather have Trubisky and the tantalizing prospect of having your good QB on a rookie deal then Garoppolo and having to pay him $100 million with over $60 million guaranteed.

The White Sox may be able to benefit from the Ohtani situation and maybe also because of the plethora of international guys out on the market. The finalists for Ohtani have been announced: Cubs, Padres, Dodhers, Giants, Rangers, Mariners, Angels. Cubs, Padres, Dodgers and Giants are all limited to a bonus of $300K. The kid is said to not care about $$ and that's kind of evident with 4 of the remaining teams on his list currently unable to spend more than $300K. Texas has $3.53 million in space. They can still acquire an additional $1.5 million roughly though for a total of around $5 million to offer. Seattle has traded for International space and has a total of $1.57 million. They can acquire between $2-$2.5 million more in space though for a total of $3.5-$4 million. The Angels currently have $1.315 million. They can trade for roughly $2 million more in international space and spend between $3-$3.5 million after doing so. The White Sox still have about $1.1 million in international space. They could theoretically help a team like the Angels get him if more money is a contributing factor.

White Sox only have 7 guys on their 40 man roster that are legitimate bullpen options for next year: Aaron Bummer, Jace Fry, Dylan Covey, Danny Farquhar, Nate Jones, Juan Minaya, and Gregory Infante. They will be adding a ton of pitching

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 09:34 PM) That's paying 10M for the #33 pick. Yes. And it's very much worth it. It also won't be the #33 pick. TB and Kansas City will have 4 comp picks after round 1. $10 million for the chance to spend an additional $2.5 million throughout the draft and add a top 40 player. That'd be an excellent deal

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 01:27 PM) Another Rise against concert? He played last night, right? I was at the Rise Against concert. Didn't see him there

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 01:48 PM) Definitely doesn't hurt that Castillo hits right handed and Collins left handed. Castillo murders lefties, Collins struggles against them. Last year vs LHP for Welington Castillo: .937 OPS, 147 wRC+, .393 wOBA.

I'm not really sure what it signifies but it's a good signing. Led AL in throwing out runners last year and dramatically improved his framing ability and he's a good defender too. Hit 20 homers in 365 plate appearances as well. 113 wRC+, .344 wOBA, .208 ISO. Nice signing.

I wrote this about Abreu today for those interested: https://theloopsports.com/2017/12/01/jose-a...-for-white-sox/

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 09:41 AM) Besides him screwing up the process, that's also another awful hire. I clamored for Leach at Illinois, but he would get destroyed at a program like Tennessee. Completely disagree. Leach would be fine there. The guy can coach. Would have been a blessing for that program.

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) That deal would really be a disappointment, for me. Very underwhelming. I'll bet that doesn't get it done. Which deal would be a disappointment?

This is an excellent piece by Eno Sarris at The Athletic about why Oakland shouldn't trade for Avi: https://theathletic.com/170936/2017/12/01/h...avisail-garcia/

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 10:44 AM) Jason Martinez of mlbtraderumors had this to say: "Zamboni 5:44 Flaherty and Sierra get it done for the Cards for Abreu Jason Martinez 5:45 I'd say one of their top pitching prospects, one of their best OF prospects and maybe one low-level guy with high upside. So Flaherty/Sierra could be in the vicinity of what it would take." Yeah Magneuris Sierra is a leadoff profile with elite level defense in CF. Flaherty and Sierra would probably be a nice deal for Sox.

I've wrestled with this decision on Abreu for some time now. I've always been of the mindset that you maximize value on all of your assets but I understand the opposite thought process on Jose Abreu. He is a mentor to some of the young guys and fellow countrymen but how seriously does that need to be considered? I know that Rick Hahn and the organization values Abreu very highly but his job is to put together a baseball team that will sustain success with winning a world series as the goal. I don't see them dumping Abreu to save $$ for a minimal return or something like that but his current contract matters a great deal. He's going to get about $17 million in arbitration this year and probably another $20 million next year. I've said that with two years of control, they need to either extend him or trade him. His value will never be higher than it is right now. On the other hand, I'm not interested in the White Sox paying retail for Jose Abreu. If he wants to be a White Sox lifer, and take a pretty big discount to stay then I'd be all for him sticking around for awhile. If he wants to max out his income though or even make what's probably fair, I honestly think they'll deal him. He's going to be a 33 year old DH by the time they even consider seriously winning something. He's important for the clubhouse but if Luis Robert and Yoan Moncada aren't going to be as good because the Sox traded him, then they probably aren't the right guys anyway.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) I'm obviously pro-rebuild and also believe that the Sox still need more talent in the system to really do this right, but I don't like this fit. Obviously there's a price for any player, but I don't see anything left in the Red Sox system that would make sense. I've said it before, but I think Abreu is worth more to the White Sox than he is on the open market. I agree with this but now is the time to move if they are truly going to move him. I read this one of two ways: Sox leaked Red Sox to the media in order to press some other suitors into action on Abreu in talks. Also possible, Dombrowski floated the possibility of trading for Abreu because they are in the Hosmer/Martinez market and Boras hasn't even started moving.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 28, 2017 -> 12:47 PM) Ban her. It's not even a crash I want to watch every year anymore. It was cringeworthy.