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QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 04:31 PM) So, if I'm Dan Gilbert, I'm seriously considering the option of trading all of the big 3. Or maybe you keep Love, and trade Lebron and Kyrie for an insane package of 1st round picks over the next 2-3 seasons. Lebron is the only one of the three that has a no trade clause, but surely if you deal the other two, and his choice is a trade or a lost year in Cleveland, he's going to OK it (within reason I suppose). Kyrie supposedly said he wanted to go to the Knicks, Heat, Spurs and Timberwolves. He and Jimmy are tight. If you're Thibs, could you package basically anyone and everyone other than Jimmy and KAT for Kyrie? Throw in some picks? That wold be a pretty fun team in another season or two... They can't anymore. They just signed Jeff Teague to big $$ and he can't be traded until December. Irving should have done this sooner.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 03:19 PM) Any word on Tito Polo? Yes. He's in Birmingham. I answered this yesterday.

QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) Have some fun: Where is Irving going and for what! He'll be In Cleveland. He's under contract. He mentioned Minnesota, San Antonio, Miami and the Knicks. He needed to do this a month ago if he was serious. He's probably stuck now.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 03:00 PM) Welp...I truly do think the Bulls made the wrong move. Kyrie wants out of Cleveland...would have been a great piece to put alongside Jimmy. Hopefully they hit the lottery on the draft, etc, otherwise we are going to look at a long run of sucking. Jimmy made it clear on so many occassions how committed he was to Chicago and to bringing other stars to Chicago. It would have happened. OMG not you too. I've been fending off people on twitter talking about this. The Bulls didn't have the assets to acquire anyone let alone Kyrie Irving with Jimmy Butler on the team. What were they going to trade? #16, future 1st, Rondo, Portis? Why the hell would the Cavs trade Irving to a divisional rival for s*** just because? None of this makes any sense

Lots of b****ing about Collins in this thread...dude has a .960 OPS in July .282/.370/.590.

This is an interesting take by Jeff Ellis on some of Blake Rutherford's struggles:http://www.scout.com/mlb/scouting/story/1792445-white-sox-yankees-trade Blake Rutherford is the gem of this deal. I had him as the number one player in the 2016 draft, because I believed strongly in his hit tool. There has been talk about issues with his power production this year and how he has been merely average in low A. First off, Charleston is one of, if not the worst, places to hit home runs in the minors. Rutherford’s home runs might be down, but he has 20 doubles on the year, which shows he is still hitting the ball hard. It is a horrible place for hitters in general, so I have little concern about a kid in his second year in the minors being a league average batter in a park that suppresses everything. Rutherford has mostly played center, but his future is in left field, where I think the bat will play. His approach is still strong, and I would expect to see his numbers trend upward now that he is out of Charleston. This deal was mostly about Rutherford, but I still think he is one of the top 30 prospects in baseball. The White Sox turned a rental, a reclamation project, and an overpriced reliever into another high ceiling potential middle of the lineup type of bat; that is a win, for me.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 03:38 PM) Anybody know Polo is going? 14 games at AA with Yanks, and he excelled. He's reporting to BIrmingham

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) Would you take a guy in that range for Swarzak? I know I would love that return. Absolutely.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 11:26 AM) What difference does it make? Fulmer and Collins are ranked top 10 in the Sox system and top 70 overall, and they get trashed on a daily basis here. Semantics but I don't think anyone at FutureSox will have Fulmer in Sox top 10. Mlbpipeline might because Callis loves him but nobody should have Fulmer that high.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 11:22 AM) I think he compares fairly similarly to these guys. Micker has made some big strides this year and so I think he's probably a guy I like a little more. I do think he compares to Call, Fisher, Gonzalez. He's got the same tools. He's 3-4 years younger than them, so there is more projection to him than some of them, but I definitely think he compares. Okay that's fair. We are compiling rankings for FS now and I have Micker Adolfo at 21, Luis Gonzalez at #25 and Alex Call at #26.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) Oh come on now. That is just hyperbole. He'd be midrange in our top 30. Guy is young but has a lot of tools. He is a better piece than Ian Clarkin. He's something like 6-12 in Seattle's trash system. Would you rate him higher than Micker Adolfo, Luis Gonzalez, or Alex Call?

What should the realistic return be for Swarzak? I didn't realize how good he's been. He's a rental but 44 IP, 9.82 K/, 2.29 FIP and an fWAR of 1.5.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) I'm just looking at MLBPipeline, but he's a decent prospect...he's only 19, but projects to be a possible CF with a better than average arm. Considering they got him and 3 other warm bodies, seems like a pretty nice return to me, given what we just got back. Brayan Hernandez wouldn't even likely be in the top 30 in the Sox system. He was going to be #9 on BA midseason list. #6 according to pipeline. Marlins pretty much got trash back but Phelps has been just okay. 30 years old and has another year of control. 47 IP, 9.77 K/9, 3.69 FIP and 0.3 fWAR.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 09:58 AM) So Brian Cashman was just on MLB radio and actually said he and Kenny hammered this deal out. He is very proud of his system and mentioned that often times other GMs will ask about some of his top guys, and he said he has to try and make it clear, that because of the depth of his system, oftentimes his 8-12 might be more equivalent to another team's 1-5. Other GMs don't want to hear that when he is trying to take guys like Torres and Mateo and Rutherford off the table. Sounds like they really wanted Quintana. We must have been asking for Torres and Rutherford or something. I bet the Sox were being fair with offers but honestly, Yanks would have to deal Torres to top Eloy Jimenez anyway. Jimenez is better than anyone in Yankees system.

I'll be there as well

Getting anything for Swarzak is a win because he was a minor league deal guy but it seems like there is some interest out there: Jon Morosi‏Verified account @jonmorosi 15m15 minutes ago More Anthony Swarzak has appeal at #TradeDeadline because of multi-inning capability: 17 appearances of 4+ outs, 0.98 ERA in those games. @MLB 6 replies 28 retweets 44 likes Jon Morosi‏Verified account @jonmorosi Jul 12 More Anthony Swarzak is a sleeper trade candidate. He's having career year with #WhiteSox, will be free agent after '17; 1.00 WHIP in 41 IP. @MLB

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 06:59 PM) Rough start for Adams. Seems he's followed up his great start with stinkers this year He had a 2.89 xFIP as a 21 year old in AA prior to tonight.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 06:14 PM) Amado Nunez, most likely. Also Robert obviously if we're counting him. The Sox have $4.75 million in International Bonus Money. They spent $600K on 2 players. I highly doubt they have Texas $4 million. Probably like $1.5 million tops. It wasn't disclosed when we reached out.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 01:18 PM) Did they ever announce new rotation after Q left Yes. Pelfrey tonight, Holland on Sunday. Gonzalez vs Dodgers on Tuesday and Rodon on Wednesday.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 12:59 AM) I get that scoreboard watching is fun, but in all honest picks 1-5 are a crapshoot anyway. From 2002-2014 there were four guys that lived up to the hype. I don't care where we draft, as long as we find the right player. This is the wrong way to look at it. You want to pick as high as possible in every draft round and have the highest bonus pool possible.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 09:51 PM) There is no way that I would have helped the cubs chances of reaching the world series again. Hahn felt differently but as a cub fan growing up in Wilmette, he does not share the animosity that most south side sox fans have for the cubs. Bob Nightengale's Tweets appeared to confirm that Milwaukee was trying hard to get Quintana. https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/885883624641355778 So Epstein was concerned that Hahn would trade Q to the Brewers. Perhaps Hahn should have asked for more from Epstein or went back to the Brewers and given them the last opportunity to trade for him, or maybe held on to Q at least until the end of the trade deadline. I would never deal with Epstein or the cubs, ever. Eloy Jimenez is better than anyone the Brewers could offer. It was a great deal.

Excellent article on the deal from Jeff Passan who says White Sox have #1 system in baseball: https://sports.yahoo.com/jose-quintana-trad...-195650568.html

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:37 PM) Also, I am going to be very interested to see who in Charlotte is mirroring Q. It almost has to be either Giolito or Lopez. I really don't think either of those guys is coming up when Q gets traded. 2nd half rotation: Rodon/Shields/Pelfrey/Gonzalez/Return of Covey or Holmberg. They want to lose and lose a lot. Could obviously see Lopez at some point but I don't think Giolito is an option yet.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 03:02 PM) I think those are acceptable returns and probably realistic; but is Hahn willing to come down that much? He wasn't in the winter. You could probably throw the Astros in the mix; leave out Tucker and Martes, and they could put a deal together that is similar to the Brewer deal (Fisher, Whitley and whatever else, e.g.) I wouldn't personally make an Astros deal without Kyle Tucker included.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) This is a good point on The Yanks past, but I don't think the Sox want to wait til the Last couple days of June. I really think people are goin g to be disappointed in the return for Q. I agree with Brian here but only because people have unrealistic expectations. I know that baseball teams aren't sitting around looking at publication top prospect lists to make deals. However, when looking at a prospective deal, I think a top 30ish prospect, another back end top 100, an org top 10, and an upside flyer is realistic for Quintana. He's not Chris Sale. He'll bring back a lot though. After reading Heyman's piece today, it seems like Hahn is playing this thing perfectly. It's the same script as Jake Peavy and Chris Sale beforehand. They are asking for the sun and the moon and ultimately will accept "the sun". By asking the Yanks for Torres (Hahn likely knows this isn't happening) and Clint Frazier (Possible real #1 target) he's setting an unrealistic bar. Hopefully, Cashman agrees to Frazier and then you work in 2 guys instead of a monster package and so on. Something like Frazier, Adams, Florial, and Abreu would be a good deal for Sox but I do believe the fan base would be underwhelmed. I could see something like Corey Ray, Brandon Woodruff and Isan Diaz as well. I think that would be looked at as a "poor deal" but in reality it might be the best that they can do.