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QUOTE (Tex @ Feb 5, 2014 -> 08:20 PM) One fundamental of every sports league is an understanding that every team should try to win every game. Once that gets ignored the sport becomes tarnished and nothing more than a scripted reality show. Well obviously the players and coaches on the field, court, or ice feel this way. That's a given. A front office has to look at things differently. Getting the team closer to a championship is the only thing that a team owes you. If Gregg Popovich sits Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobli, and Tony Parker for 2 games because they are old and tired, it is perfectly acceptable. In his mind, the only way to win a championship is to keep guys like that fresh. I am sure that while their backups are playing they are trying to win but the organization has decided that even if they lose the 2 games, it gives SA the best chance at winning a championship. Sometimes teams need to take a step back to get better. I know this is a baseball board and a baseball topic but it just depends man.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Feb 5, 2014 -> 02:20 PM) LOL! So were you wrong or right? Salty also did not cost a 99 loss team a draft pick.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Feb 5, 2014 -> 12:31 PM) Either the great contract guy Hahn misread the market or the bid was a publicity move. Haha. This guy is unbelievable.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Feb 5, 2014 -> 02:10 PM) Anyone ever think of converting Dunn to a CF or 3B? I was just thinking, there have been some pretty big guys in the past to play both of those positions, so maybe Dunn could too? How about this: all Spring training Dunn is diving for balls over there at the hot corner, chasing down shots in the OF, smashing into the wall, etc. Aren't there like 40 minor league fields out there anyway? Dunn can have his own field. Now, given that Dunn has always been more of a 1B/LF/DH type, there is of course an unfortunate possibly that he gets hurt in the process. That would be terrible, obviously. But assuming it is not written into his contract that he can only play one of the above 3 positions, there really shouldn't be any way the team insurance company could get out of paying the claim, right? So I mean it would just be a terrible thing, but let's say the deductible here is even as much as say 25% of his contract, that would still be $11.25M saved and that right there may almost pay for one year of Santana. Silver lining all the way. Of course Dunn would have to be out the whole year, so during the recovery process if he looked like he was going to come back early we'd have to put him on a pretty s***ty rehab program. What's this thread about anyway, washing machines? Yeah I think we should sign Santana for 3/$39 and I can't believe there are actually angry arguments against it. Balta, you posted something about our pitching being 8th in something, great, but 8th isn't #1, and anything less than #1 in status represents an opportunity for improvement. Why should we not try to get better *everywhere* rather than just in one spot? No matter what happens with this offense good or bad, this team is still going to be built on pitching and defense, because that's what our FO wants. So keep playing to your strengths & sign Santana if he's really going to come that cheap. You do have quite the vendetta against Dunn.

Holy s*** this is actually happening again in a different thread. This is awesome. I can't wait for Ubaldo and Ervin to sign somewhere already but with this new system, I am expecting that to be a long while.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 5, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) Rienzo and Surkamp and Axelrod have been tried and convicted of being not so good. This is not true though. Axelrod is what he is but you have no idea what Surkamp and Rienzo are.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 10:03 PM) Heard them briefly touch upon this topic on the "Idiot & Bernstein Show" on my drive home. I'd imagine that will net a few participants that he might not have had prior to that. Who called them "Idiot and Bernstein Show"? I heard the promo yesterday. Was that Ramblin Ray?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 01:43 PM) I think that's pretty spot on. Nobody is ever going to give up a draft pick for a 2 year deal though. Both of these guys should have accepted the QO immediately.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Feb 4, 2014 -> 10:36 AM) Ervin Santana 3 years $45M? Yes. Sale-Santana-Quintana-Johnson-Danks, done and done. Now we don't need to rush any of the pitching prospects. Paulino to the pen, Lindstrom is traded, etc. Great move. That is a good price for Santana. The White Sox should not pay it though. You are entitled to your opinion but to me it doesn't make any sense. The Sox are not going to win this year. They are trying to implement a new young core of players that fit on the Southside for the long-term. Being bad sucks but one of the benefits of being awful is the fact that the team's draft spending limit increases. While at first glance, you may say "Oh who cares about a 2nd round pick" and list a ton of names of players that have busted in that spot, that thought process is very short sighted. The Sox will have roughly $10.5 million to spend on their top 10 selections. If they gave away their 2nd round choice, they also lose the ability to spend the money that the particular slot is worth. That is just stupid to give up in my opinion. Obviously, some of us disagree. I am just glad that Rick Hahn agrees with me on this.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Feb 2, 2014 -> 01:12 PM) I don't know if that's necessarily true. Gray has a higher risk but also a higher ceiling. Bryant is probably the most valuable player of that draft IMO. He has MVP type potential. I would say however that Rodon is the best LHP prospect in the game right now. He's better than Heaney, Biddle, Uurittia, etc. This guy is Liriano (pre TJ) meets Price. His slider should rank as an 80 if not, a 75. Really no glaring holes in his game either, smooth mechanics, good frame, out pitch, results, makeup, etc. It all measures up. I think Hoffman is the second best player in the draft and the guy I hope the Sox get but whichever writer said he can challenge Rodon for the #1 is wrong. Barring an injury Rodon should waltz to the #1 in July. To the poster who brought up Boras, I am sure of the rules in MLB for hiring agents but Scott Boras is already listed as an advisor to Rodon so it seems that match is inevitable. Fair enough. Appel wasn't looked at as an underslot, value signing though. That was my point. They haven't made a habit of going under slot in round 1. They did it once with Correa.

QUOTE (beautox @ Feb 1, 2014 -> 11:53 PM) I don't know I could see Houston and Miami passing on him for two reasons. The astros under Jeff Luhnow have shown a propensity for going under slot with #1 and landing as much talent as possible across the draft by signing the pick well under slot and spreading those savings across later rounds for above average signing slots. The marlins time and time again have gone with prep selections nearly 70% over the last 10 years. Their "window" doesn't line up with the likes of someone like Rodon, combined with the fact the strength of their system as it stands today is left handed pitching(Andrew Heaney, Justin Nicolino, Adam Conley and Brian Flynn) I wouldn't be surprised if they went with Jackson or Gatewood maybe Turner. The Astros did that by taking Correa. Last year they took the #1 talent on the board though. I expect that they will do the same this time around.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 1, 2014 -> 09:41 AM) Cubs with their two "Paulino-esque" moves. Note no Santana/Jimenez. Nope. Santana and Jimenez will be sitting for awhile. This new system is really screwing players. If I were players I would start accepting the QO immediately to try and deter teams from doing them.

QUOTE (chisoxfan310 @ Feb 1, 2014 -> 08:41 AM) Agree I don't want him Did you see the year that he had last year? He was fantastic. He had a 4.8 WAR. He had a .501 slugging percentage and a wRC+ of 130. He also hit 22 Homers and played great defense. Now to be objective he did have a .356 BABIP. He quietly was really good though.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 31, 2014 -> 08:13 PM) The meat heads that countdown the days to mini camp are the worst. f***ing ugh. Haha okay. The NFL Draft is my favorite event of the year. I was just hoping you weren't going to say that haha.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 31, 2014 -> 05:04 PM) Can't wait for baseball to start but this is the second most overrated day in sports. I am curious as to your opinion of the most overrated day in sports?

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 31, 2014 -> 01:56 PM) It doesn't matter. The Sox should sign Jimenez or that other guy to a 4-year/$50 million contract instead. And give up a draft pick. I forgot. Sounds like a great idea. That needed to be in green by the way.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jan 31, 2014 -> 01:52 PM) He's already got that. The money has already been spent. Re: the rest of this abortion: The arguments for keeping Dunn here are hilarious. Supposedly he's not taking ABs away from anyone that matters, right. Are his ABs coming from the sky? Are the Sox getting a special exemption this year that offers them 33 or so outs per game so that Dunn's PA won't count against the team? Do they get to keep a 26th man this year while the other 29 teams get 25? This is absurd. WTF do you people think is a realistic return for this guy? Do you really think anything of value is coming back? How much $$$ you think another team is going to be willing to eat? And why would you expect that return to be more valuable than getting a better look at players we already have on the roster? Trying to recoup a small part of a terrible investment at the cost of PAs for players who are under team control for several seasons is absurd, the thinking is completely irrational and counterproductive to the entire process. The money has already been spent, we already surrendered the draft pick. Put the drink down, tell the waitress to go away, stand up and walk away from the table you irrational gambling maniac lush. Goodness gracious. Dunn is not a part of the team's future. Regardless of results, his PA are much better spent on other players who have a chance at being long-term players, whether they are as starters or bench guys. The "striking fear into the opposition" part is f***ing hilarious also. We're really going to be striking fear into pitchers looking to rack up stats against our s***ty bottom feeding team. And the idea that just because Dunn may put up better numbers than say Jake Elmore, it is better to play Dunn is equally hilarious. I'm laughing with anger right now, man this is great, what a riot. This team is going to be *losing for a very specific purpose* and the idea here is to find out as much as possible about as many players as possible so that the losing doesn't have to continue much further than it already has to. Playing Dunn this year is THE SAME EXACT THING as signing a 1-year DH for the league minimum and giving him the PA necessary to rebuild his value. Now with the right player in the situation this *could* be an intelligent move, however signing a very limited hacker like Dunn, who 25 teams probably wouldn't even have a place for even under the best of realistic circumstances as it is, and then expecting that player to some how climb out of what appears to be a career-ending statistical decline - that's not very smart. Again, there IS NO DIFFERENCE. The $15M is gone. We're not going to be getting back a good enough player or enough of that salary to make it worth the while to give Dunn PA over just about any other member of this roster. You guys keep making the same flawed arguments over and over: we're not going to be winning. The numbers don't matter. The PA however do. Now I expect to be quoted and have something said like "well you're just wrong" or "no team is going to eat that much money" completely ignoring all of the logic behind making the necessary moves to dump this guy from the roster. If the Sox can recover anything at all in salary they should do it. They can't get out of their payroll obligations and every other f***ing team knows this and because of this the Sox have exactly zero leverage in any trade negotiation. The PA and development time of other players are more important than Dunn and anything Dunn can realistically bring back. Even if you get back the ghost of Brandon Hynick and $1.5M savings you're still getting a deal because you just opened up a s***load of PA & opened up another roster spot. Have mercy. Thank God for Marty, he makes a lot of sense sometimes but yall just wanna hate irrespectively. I can hate too when it comes to his views on Ozzie, but his thoughts on Dunn are accurate. The fans don't want this guy on the team and yes, that does mean something, since they buy the f***ing tickets. Christ in heaven. Jesus. White Sox fans don't buy tickets. That won't change with Dunn gone.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 31, 2014 -> 12:37 PM) Just like Paulino being in the rotation is good for the team? Why don't you want Paulino in the rotation? That was a really good signing. Have you ever seen the guy pitch before?

Another Dunn thread huh? I think I'm one of the only guys on the board that still enjoys him. He was one of my favorite players in baseball prior to the trade and I still like watching him hit bombs even though he's been a big disappointment. Didn't Dunn have the highest .OPS on the team still last year? I just don't understand the hate honestly. I understand not wanting him on the team anymore. But hating the guy? The only thing he did wrong was not live up to the contract he signed. It's really getting rather old around here.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 30, 2014 -> 09:54 AM) Wow, he's high on Micah and Mitchell. I think he's probably not fully aware of some of the risks with Micah Johnson. Mitchell is an interesting prospect but I can't see him as top 10. He likes him as a starter though. If he's a reliever he probably isn't top 10. Law has said since draft day that he has the pitch mix to start.

Keith Law also today released his top 10's for the AL. I will list them below and put a brief synopsis. I can email the insider stuff to people if you send me a PM. 1. Erik Johnson 2. Matt Davidson 3. Tim Anderson 4. Courtney Hawkins 5. Micah Johnson 6. Marcus Semien 7. Trayce Thompson 8. Chris Beck 9. Andrew Mitchell 10. Jacob May 11. Scott Snodgress Law said that even though the system is still ranked 27th, it is in the best shape it's been in since he started compiling his rankings. .... Law is still high on Courtney Hawkins. Says he was pushed to aggressively last season but still has the 3 tools (power, arm, speed) that made him a top 100 guy last season. .....Micah Johnson opened eyes in the Arizona Fall League but Law states that he may end up in CF. .....Law loves Andrew Mitchell. I believe he had him as his #35 draft prospect and the Sox took him in round 4. He says that TCU misused him as a reliever and that he has the 3 pitch mix to start. .....Law is not a fan of Tyler Danish. He wasn't on draft day either though and mentions how he hates the delivery. He also said that he still hates Sale's arm action but says that the Sox have obviously made that work. .....Semien could supplant Beckham at 2B if given the opportunity and could be an ideal utility infielder. Keith also lists Jared Mitchell under The Fallen category and Jacob May under his Sleepers.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 07:04 PM) But that was mostly based on the overrating or overvaluing of Alexei Ramirez and/or Rios, right? Yes and many of us believed that the White Sox would pay a big chunk of $$ to receive better prospects in return.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 04:16 PM) True, and I wasn't even really using hindsight as Anderson had a fine season. It's not like I said I wish the Sox drafted Trout over Mitchell. Sure Wacha looks to have a better career than Hawkins but at the time I wanted Courtney Hawkins and I was happy when the team drafted him. Absolutely agree with this. I wanted Hawkins at the time and that's who the Sox took. I loved it. Wacha represented the safe, college back-end type that was taken in the past and many would have been upset with that pick.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 10:22 AM) Michael Bay would actually be an upgrade at director in this case as Jonathan Liebesman has basically only directed horrendous movies. There is no way that movie isn't really bad. It's gonna be awful. Michael Bay is terrible. Shredder is a white guy for crying out loud.