Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:53 PM) WSD already said he wasnt In Dave I trust.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:53 PM) Rosenthal said it about 45 minutes ago and, if he’s just repeating Nightengale, he would have given him credit. On MLB Network? Isn’t the bulk of the programming just repeats? I could definitely be wrong here but I heard him say something similar hours ago.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:45 PM) Dan Clark‏Verified account @DanClarkSports Offers on Manny Machado are so strong, the #Orioles may finalize a trade by week's end. #HotStove https://twitter.com/DanClarkSports/status/941392974151270400 Who the f*** is Dan Clark and what the f*** does he know? But seriously, this Machado is both exciting & terrifying. I just wish a White Sox mouthpiece like Merkin would pop in with a “Kopech & Giolito not included in any offer”. f***...f***...f***...

I believe that video with Rosenthal was also filmed earlier this morning, so it’s not exactly breaking news. In fact, he may just be reporting what Nightengale tweeted during the night.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 02:11 PM) He got that info from the Baltimore side of things and I still don't trust it. I think it's a ploy to get other teams to up their offers. Most leaks this early in the process are typically strategic, which supports what you’re saying. Trading Kopech for Machado is most certainly robbing Peter to pay Paul, so I just can’t see it happening. The same applies to Giolito to a lesser extent.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:42 PM) True, I think we as fans tend to overvalue our prospects a bit This part may be true. At the very least, Hahn wasn’t overly concerned if he lost Guerrero.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:52 PM) Why would the White Sox say they have the best offer? Of course they will downplay their offer. Again, if all Baltimore is going to get is second tier guys, there is no incentive for them to trade him. Because our second tier guys are still top 100 prospects. Two years of Ozuna just got the Marlins zero top 100 prospects. Teams aren’t paying nearly as much for short-term assets as they have in the past, with elite relievers at the deadline being the one exception. That’s not to say Machado will come cheaply, but I can’t imagine a Quintana like return for him given his limited control. And maybe the Orioles decided what we have to offer isn’t enough and keep him through the deadline, but I can’t see many teams really blowing us out of the water if they decide to move him now.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:51 PM) I sure hope the "traded by the week's end" line proves to be true. Would rather not lose weeks or months of my life to my White Sox obsession ? This clearly has fired on my OCD mode. Drat! I feel you, lucky for me on I’m vacation and have the bandwidth right now to fully enjoy these rumors.

QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:48 PM) I'm not sure if it is the most recent, but Johan Santana had 2 Cy Young's, 4 top 5 finishes, and 32.5 WAR in the 5 seasons before he was traded That’s a good comp, but it was also nine or ten years ago and they got a 72 hour window to negotiate an extension. Looking at the teams involved, just not sure what they’d be able to give up that’s that much more attractive than our second tier of prospects. The teams that would likely want Machado don’t exactly have a lot of expenable blue chippers to give up, assuming the Orioles won’t deal with the Yankees. I’d honestly see the Cardinals as the biggest threat and they’d have to offer Reyes to force us to do something truly uncomfortable.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) Remember when FO was a fool for not protecting Peter/Guerrero? :shrug: I mean, even Rick thought he was going to lose a guy or two.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:28 PM) And we could have had him it seems, for just 500k https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/12/pira...pool-space.html Someone should ask Rick about this at Soxfest.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:29 PM) This kinda reminds me of an auction draft in fantasy sports. A good player comes up and you start bidding kinda high to not waste time, then nobody else is bidding and you start to panic. Baltimore is like "YOU ARE THE BEST OFFER" and now Hahn is like "What, NO! Probably not us. SOmeone else is gonna bid. Can't be us" Lol...it does come off that way. But I’m more hopeful now that the Kopech/Giolito tweet was a leak from the Orioles to get other teams to step up their offers and does not reflect what we’re willing to give up. I actually like that we’re involved in the process, just would prefer not giving up any of the core guys.

QUOTE (Sockin @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:10 PM) @BNightengale The #WhiteSox insist they have no intention to flip Manny Machado if they land him, but also believe other teams have made better offers to #Orioles This is actually pretty fascinating. Combine this with the “rob Peter to pay Paul” comment and I feel pretty good that Kopech & Giolito are not involved in any offer.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 12:18 PM) This tweet has been posted about 18 times : That tweet is from like 10 minutes ago...

QUOTE (rowand's rowdies @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:44 AM) I agree with the max that you would give up but that doesn't match the news (possibly fake) that we had the best offer. Many other teams would have definitely been willing to beat that for even 1 year of Machado. Can you name the last few stars that have been traded the offseason before their walk year? I’m sure there are examples, but I can’t think of one other than Shark and that’s using the term loosely. Feels like teams have smartened up and are saving their chips for impact players with more control.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 11:20 AM) I don't have any information on it that you guys don't have but I think this is just a bunch of a hullabaloo. Thanks, appreciate the feedback as always.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:30 AM) Yawn. Nothing to see here raBBit?

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 10:24 AM) If you do the deal and don't re-sign Manny, you've really hindered the rebuild. And depending on who you would lose in the trade, you might have just killed the rebuild. Not worth the risk especially when he seems intent upon reaching free agency where the Sox can woo him and gush about the culture, etc. But so can every other team. In fact, other teams can gush about their on the field success whereas we can’t. I really think some of you guys are acting like this is a video game and if you meet his asking price he’s yours. There will be other teams offering the same amount of money as us and the decision will likely come down to non-financial considerations. How the hell do you convince him to join your up & coming team rather than a perennial powerhouse like the Yankees or Dodgers? That’s the only reason you trade for him now, to give yourself an advantage over the other teams who will be pursuing him next year.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:51 AM) Meghan Montemurro‏Verified account @M_Montemurro 3m3 minutes ago More The Phillies traded RHP Nick Burdi, their Rule 5 draft pick, to the Pittsburgh Pirates for international slot money. I’m shocked we didn’t do this, we certaintly have slot money left.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:17 AM) GarPax would sell this pick. Build up some capital with/for ownership. And it looks like we have a winner!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:26 AM) But Guerrero's FIP in AA. I’ll fully admit I was wrong on this and happy that I was

QUOTE (cjgalloway @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 09:25 AM) interesting.. I could see us trading Tocci plus something to the Giants for Burdi.

QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:20 AM) Then this is beyond stupid, it is insanity. $$$ talks, bulls*** walks. Why? This is a stupid White Sox idea that needs to be kilt now. What happens when multiple teams all offer the same money? Why does he pick us over the Yankees or Dodgers?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:16 AM) You'd pretty much be paying for a 7-month negotiation window. He can bring back a top 100 prospect at the deadline. Other rentals have throughout the years. QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:16 AM) I mean, I guess from Sox perspective if they had to trade him at deadline it’s acknowledgement he ain’t coming back. See, and that’s the part that worries me. He may simply want to test free agency no matter what we’re offering. I’m less enthused if they’re banking on a pre free agency extension as that could imply needing a “discount”, unless of course we’re talking about a 72 negotiating window (which doesn’t seem in the cards).

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 14, 2017 -> 08:04 AM) If the Chicago #Whitesox acquire Manny Machado, they would have seven months to sign him to long-term deal or trade him again before the July 31 trade deadline to recoup prospects https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/941291280264499202 This makes sense and was my original plan/scenario. However, the more I think about it, I think trading him at the deadline would be counter-productive unless it were to a team with no chance of extending him.