Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 11:55 PM) Guy on the Astros fan board that was posted early suggested this deal.... Bregman, Devenski, Martes and Kyle Tucker for Sale. Obviously Bregman is awesome. Was ranked anywhere from #22-#49 going in to 2016 before he had an incredible year. Martes is the 19th ranked prospect in baseball, Tucker is #46. And Devenski, whose best pro season came in 2016 in his rookie year when he had a 2.16 ERA, 8.6 K/9, 1.7 BB/9, and a WHIP of only 0.91, was actually drafted by the White Sox in the 25th round before he was TRADED to the Astros for....Brett Myers! Wheeeeeee. Anyway, I would take this deal for sure. Obviously Bregman is a stud, Martes is a top 20 prospect, Tucker is top 50, and Devenski could have figured it all out in the majors. Done deal. Why do we want Devenski and why would they want to give him up? Just don't see the benefit of a rebuilding team acquiring a reliever as a key piece. Give me Reed instead and I'd make that deal in a heartbeat.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 11:00 PM) The outfield they have set up is absolute trash. Their 1B situation is set up as a damn Richie Schaffer/Dan Vogelbach platoon. Trading controllable youth for an inconsistent player in Segura who, by the way, expires in 2 years? Super Sox move. See: the Frazier trade and the Samardjiza trade. I don't disagree with what you're saying, but Walker has accomplished basically nothing. He obviously has a huge ceiling, but right now it doesn't look he's going to reach it. It's very possible they're selling high on Walker.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 10:36 PM) Walker still has a ton of upside, but it's in the same erratic/inconsistent way that Rodon does... Imagine if we got that return for, let's say, Rodon and Frazier (or Saladino), would anyone be happy? Segura was almost a non-tender guy last offseason and had a huge bounceback year, but can you count on that if you look at his numbers year by year? Rodon has shown signicantly more ability at the major league level. Not sure that's a great comparison.

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 10:00 PM) Arizona won that deal!!! Did they?

QUOTE (PolishPrince34 @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 08:24 PM) Another example of why we need an overhaul with our pro scouting department. Avila, Navarro, Jackson, Latos, Rollins, Lawrie, Shields, and goes on and on over the recent years I'm pretty sure I heard Hahn or someone in the front office imply that they realized the pro scouting was an issue and changes would be made.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 09:14 PM) You certainly cannot fault them if this is the ask though. Personally, and I raised this in another thread, with Bregman, it depends on what the Sox want to do with Anderson. It makes little sense for them to trade for him only to put him at 3b. Can Anderson play 2b? And what does that do to his value? Bregman may provide the most overall value at SS, but his bat profiles anywhere in the infield except 1B and I think he could be a plus defender at 3B or 2B. In other words, he shouls be incredibly valuable no matter where you play him. Honestly, I'd be absolutely ecstatic having a Anderson-Bregman middle infield combo for the next six years.

No offense guys, but the Astros aren't giving Springer & Bregman for Sale. If you honestly think that's possible, you're in for a world of dissapointment.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 23, 2016 -> 12:15 AM) You and I have been on much the same page for the last several months. I agree. But things change quickly. You might trade Sale first and then actually end up getting the same or better for Q. This thread itself is about an article making an argument for just that very thing. Oh I 100% agree with you. Quintana's market could completely change once Sale has been traded. The Sox should not have a firm stance on what they'll be doing with Quintana at this point in time. I'm ok if they think they'll end up keeping Q based on current market value, but they need to be open to trading him if the offers materially change after a Sale deal. No one in this organization should be off limits if the right offer comes along IMO. I just worry that Reinsdorf won't allow the front office to go full rebuild and will force them to hold onto a few of the big name guys despite some big offers.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2016 -> 11:14 PM) One would think, but they should be letting the market define that. Well they've been having talks about these guys for months now. They should have a pretty good sense of what the markets are for each of them at this point. My guess is Quintana is signicantly undervalued relative to Sale.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 22, 2016 -> 09:12 PM) I just don't know how you could really definitively say "I want to trade Sale, but keep Q" otherwise. One would think they would remain flexible unless it was a health issue or a makeup issue. I think it's as simple as the Sox wanting to keep one of them and Sale bringing back a much bigger return despite one less year of control and not a significant difference in production. I'd be open to trading both of them is the price was right, but if you're determined to keep one then Quintana is definitely that guy.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Nov 19, 2016 -> 03:42 PM) I wouldn't be surprised to see Rodon traded. He made a comment before the season ended about how it would be a sad day if Sale was traded from the White Sox. I was under the impression that Hahn wasn't too thrilled with Rodons comments about Sale being traded. The team might have a situation where both Sale and Rodon will be traded. We'll have a Triple AAA pitching staff if those two are moved. What? Hahn would be mad at Rodon and trade him because he said he would miss Sale? Surely you can't be serious.

QUOTE (beautox @ Nov 19, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) I think its posturing, once Sale has been moved it makes no sense to hold onto Q when he could get a similar return same for Jones who would likely get a Ken Giles like return. The only real question is do you hold onto Eaton or sell high. I'm hoping the same thing. Look, I'm not demanding they deal Quintana or Eaton, just want them to be open to it. I really think they should be aggressive with Jones though. He could command a huge return and can likely be replaced by the time we'll be competitive again.

If true, this proves they're planning a half-ass rebuild. We should be open to moving anyone other than Rodon & Anderson if the right price is met.

QUOTE (Carpe Diem @ Nov 19, 2016 -> 09:30 AM) Adam Eaton would get more in a trade than Chris Sale. Fact. 5 years $38 million for a 6 WAR player? And you are talking about Vlad Jr. wowowowowowow These discussions are beyond silly, not to mention it is extremely frightening there are so many ignorant White Sox fans. I doubt many clubs would value him as a 6 WAR player. Still worth a ton, but I definitely think Sale is worth simply due to positional scarcity.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Nov 19, 2016 -> 09:39 AM) I agree with Frazier. I know it's fun to play the prospect game and acquiring them in a trade but I think it's a bad decision to waste this pitching staff without trying to win again. Rodon, I think, takes a huge step next year and with him, Sale, and Q you'll have 3 of the top lefties in baseball. They need a CF, Cespedes(maybe) a catcher and LH bat. They are not that far away. Go through position by position- 3B-solid, SS- looks bright, 2B-I like Saladino, 1B-upper level, LF- solid, CF-gaping hole, RF- all-star level, C- hole, SP- upper level, RP-I not as down on Robertson as most and I like Jones. Burdi has some potential. They need to add an arm(not sure about Petricka status) but it's not a liability. I also think the removal of Ventura is a big plus. This has been asked a million times, but how do you expect to fill these holes? Money is tight, the free agent market is weak, and we have a bottom five farm system.

QUOTE (TheTruth05 @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 07:13 AM) I'm interested to see if the switch will play WiiU games because if it doesn't I honestly will feel pretty shafted. It uses cartridges, so the answer is going to be a no.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 08:07 PM) Yeah, but Nintendo not f***ing around is still Nintendo. When I get on the court, I'm not f***ing around, but still couldn't make High School varsity. Look, I get the skeptism, I've been down on Nintendo for a while now. Having said that, they've pretty much done everything right so far with Switch based on what's been announced and rumored. A hybrid was the way to go, allowing for all their resources to focus on one system (eventually) and prevent the long drought without games that we're used to. The price point is perfect at $250 for the device to have mass appeal. And most importantly, they're bringing out all their big guns from the get-go. A huge, open-World Zelda and a brand new 3D Mario (like Mario 64 to boot) both coming out in 2017. Those are all but a guarantee at this point along with the Mario Kart & Splatoon enhanced ports I mentioned. Even with just those four games this system is going to sell like crazy. When was the last time Nintendo had three of their big four franchises (Smash the only one missing) within 6 months or even a year of launch? IMO, this feels like a different Nintendo to me and maybe it's the new CEO driving these changes.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 18, 2016 -> 06:47 AM) He's elite. Pricey for a platoon hitter but the Astros are almost there. This a joke?

If the Astros are willing to give up Bregman, I think Sale ends up in Houston. They've already filled most of their holes without giving up any of their blue chippers. They also seem in desperate need of a legit ace. I'd be absolutely ecstatic with a Bregman, Reed, Tucker, & Musgrove package, although it's probably a bit unrealistic.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) Ha. Nintendo release schedules. Ha. Fool me once... QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 06:55 PM) Ha, can't argue that. There has been a lot of talk that Nintendo is really trying to get this launch right, because of how botched WiiU was. If they manage launching with 75% of those titles, I will be pretty happy. If they launch with all of them I will be stunned. Interested in the specs given the rumored price point Nintendo also shifted most of their resources to Switch a while ago. Wii U has been pretty much dead all year and even 3DS has seen a slowdown in quality releases. Furthermore, three of the games I mentioned are enhanced ports (if you count the new Zelda) and shouldn't take that much time to develop. I honestly believe we see all those games in the first 12 months of Switch's life. It really like Nintendo finally figured its s*** out for the first time in my adult life. Can't launch with only two 1st party games and then have nothing to offer for months. This is really do or die time for Nintendo and it appears they aren't f***ing around anymore.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 17, 2016 -> 06:30 PM) Take all of this with a giant grain of salt: I have a buddy from Atlanta that is plugged in locally that I talk NFL Draft with. He's a Braves fan. He claims to have a friend that is a scout for Atlanta. He told me that Atlanta can't get Sale because they aren't willing to trade Maitan or Dansby. He said it's Quintana that they are going after. He mentioned Sean Newcomb, Travis Demeritte, and Mallex Smith. That's not enough for Q but like I said this is what he told me. I think teams like the Braves & Pirates make a ton of sense for Quintana. While he's not as sexy as Sale, he's under control for an additional year at an even lower rate. For teams with a young pitching staffs in need of a veteran anchor, it's hard to find a better fit than Jose. Plus he should be cheaper to acquire than Sale.

Rumors about Nintendo Switch's year 1 lineup sounds incredible. New 3D Mario (64 style), new open-world Zelda, Pokémon, updated versions of Mario Kart 8 & Splatoon, Pikman 4, a new game from Retro Studios, and a brand new IP. If you didn't own a Wii U, and let's be honest very few did, this could be an incredible system. And at the rumored $250 price point, this system might just sell extremely well.

QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Nov 16, 2016 -> 08:54 PM) Sox prospects in danger of being lost per MLB.com: Chicago White Sox (6) 6. Adam Engel, OF 10. Jordan Guerrero, LHP 12. Jacob May, OF 14. Courtney Hawkins, OF 25. Luis Martinez, RHP 27. Nick Delmonico, 1B/OF Sox have the 40-Man set at 38, so you have to figure two of those guys will be added before Friday. If we're rebuilding, I'd make sure to protect Engel, May, Guerrero, & Delmonico.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 08:09 PM) Dodgers have the prospects to get it done. Whether you like their prospects or not is another thing but they can get it done as well as anyone with their pieces alone. I honestly think they match up well with us. I posted this earlier, but I still think a Sale & Frazier for DeLeon, Bellinger, Verdugo, Calhoun, Alvarez, Barnes, & Sheffield deal would be a haul for us and something Friedman might do. Bellinger, Verdugo, Calhoun, & Barnes could all be up by opening day 2018 (if not sooner) and potentially fill four holes in our everyday lineup. DeLeon immediately fills Sale's spot in the rotation. Without trading any other pieces, we've filled five spots on our 2018 roster and would be able to give them a full year of development before the big 2018/2019 free agent period. Entering the 2019 offseason, this could be your roster: 1B: Bellinger 2B: Calhoun (some DH) SS: Anderson 3B: ? LF: Verdugo CF: ? RF: Eaton DH: Collins (some C) C: Barnes (some 2B) #1: Quintana #2: Rodon #3: DeLeon #4: Fulmer #5: ? CL: Jones SU: Burdi SU: Stephens Key prospects that might be ready by then or at most a year out would include pitchers Adams, Hansen, Alvarez, & Sheffield along with hitters like Michalczewki, Fisher, & Call. These guys would give us some depth and allow us to make some trades to fill holes. We'd also have a ton of financial flexibility and could be serious players in what should an incredible free agent class. Multiple superstars will be available at both 3B & CF. Obviously not all these guys are going to work out, although I strongly believe that by targeting near-ready major league pieces, we greatly reduce that bust factor significantly. Regardless, I think it shows how a Dodgers trade without Urias could still be a huge win for us.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 07:21 PM) I really dislike the Dodgers prospects for the Sox, a third team would have to get involved Please elaborate.