Chicago White Sox

Real talk, would you guys accept a Quintana for Frazier, Kraprielian, & Frorial deal? Are you willing to gamble on the 2nd major piece coming off Tommy John surgery? My heart says no, that it's too risky, but I'm not sure we can much better.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2017 -> 06:22 AM) pplama7 hours ago I don’t see the Sox and Yanks coming together on a Quintana trade. Sox would want 2 of Frazier, Rutherford, Adams. The Yankees won’t give that up. If Mateo were performing well, he’d be a perfect secondary piece.. But he’s isn’t, and combining Rutherford with Fowler or Andujar won’t be enough for the Sox to bite. As a Yanks fan, I wouldn’t want them to get him if it cost any of the players you mentioned, besides Mateo which you mentioned as not being a real piece (I agree as far as a blue chip piece). Maybe Adams and Mateo with some other complementary pieces, but I don’t think that would get it done. And, I don’t think the Sox would, nor really should, accept an offer that doesn’t include at least one blue chip prospect. I just don’t think Quintana would be a great fit for the Yanks. He is a very good pitcher, and any team would be better with him on it, but I would rather the team hold onto those impact players for the future, especially in a year where he has looked rather mediocre, or for a player that I think would strive in NY. I think that the Astro’s are the best fit for him. He won’t feel like he needs to be the ace there, they have the prospects to get him (without sacrificing much of the future either since they have a great young core) and would increase their reputation as WS favorites significantly. Mlbtraderumors.com Quintana hovering just outside Top 30 in fWAR http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=...0&page=2_30 I have no idea what's going on with this post. What's with the underlining and who is pplama7? Is this an opinion piece by mlbtraderumors or are they citing another source/article? If you could just learn to use the quote feature (it's literally clicking on a single button), your posts would be so much easier to digest.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 08:52 PM) Tbh I don't remember this Either do I. And Lillian is a girl...

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 06:39 PM) Feel pretty confident Archer goes to the Yankees for a huge package. Tanaka got bashed yet again. Wainwright got destroyed as well. Cards in interesting position with Cubs scuffling. You feel pretty confident that the Rays are going to trade Archer to their AL rivals? Why is that?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 02:04 PM) Honestly, trade everyone, as long as we get good value. For me, Avi, Kahnle, Swarzak and Rodon are the guys that have some upside left in them that I would be concerned about giving away. Abreu I think brings a lot of veteran leadership to a ballclub heavy on latin american assets, so I suppose he is the guy that I would keep around for reasons chalked up to "chemistry" or "intangibles." Swarzak is a free agent after this year, you take whatever you can get for him at the deadline.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) At the same time, here's what Jeff Sullivan said in his FanGraphs chat yesterday: which, yeah, I also completely agree with. Yeah, you don't hold onto relievers during a rebuild. First, they're too fickle performance-wise year to year and they almost always bring back a premium at the deadline. Second, if you're a pitching rich organization, you'll probably have plenty of arms to field a quality bullpen. In addition to Burdi, I feel pretty strongly that Fulmer & Stephens will end up in the pen along with a few other failed starters. Therefore, trade Robertson, Kahnle, & Swarzak this deadline if you can get quality returns. Jones potentially becomes a big trade piece in 2018. Cashing in on relievers is rebuilding 101 and I'm glad to see we're set up to do just that.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 17, 2017 -> 09:12 AM) In boxing, I forget, do you get the line that it ultimately goes off at, like horseracing? Or do you get the line where it was when you actually wagered? You get the line when you actually wagered I believe. The line started at -2200 and dropped to -500, so my buddy told me we should lock in ASAP. Can't imagine it staying there very long, seems like a function of really early action.

Rodon & Anderson. Otherwise trade anything and everything that results in a quality return.

Well I'm feeling better about throwing some money on Mayweather. The line dropped to -500 which isn't terrible if you think he's pretty much a sure thing to win this thing.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 08:45 PM) Giolito with a bad looking box score but seems like a lot of soft hits A lot of soft hits and couldn't get a call to save his ass. I wonder how Blair is a framer.

Giolito hasn't gotten any close calls tonight.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 08:24 PM) Kopech's command starting to be an issue in his starts. He needs a breather He just needs more development time. It's absolutely incredible he's already in AA given his age and extremely small amount of innings pitched.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 08:23 PM) When we extend Frazier, we can allow Davidson to man LF. Lol

QUOTE (mac9001 @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 08:11 PM) Giolito hitting 94-95 on the Charlotte gun. The fastball does seem to have a bit more pop today and with the exception of a couple at bats he's commanding it well. And that gun is notoriously slow right? Is he really at 96 to 97 MPH?

QUOTE (daggins @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) Gray seems pretty likely to move, i'll agree. He's been decent and has the numbers to back it up. But there's multiple teams that could use a starter for multiple seasons, and Gray getting dealt doesn't preclude a Q trade. Even tho he's been dingered, he's having a pretty decent game tonight. This. Quintana's biggest hinderence is himself. If he pitches better in the coming weeks, I have complete faith a market will be there.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 07:49 PM) Melky trade value rapidly rising...at the very least, no contract subsidy. I don't think anyone will give up anything but a lottery ticket regardless, but the less of his contract we have to eat the more we can contribute toward someone like Robertson's.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 07:48 PM) Cueto looks terrible this season. Vargas is someone that will get dealt for quality prospects You literally just said posts ago that teams wouldn't pay up for Quintana because they want pitchers with that throw hard but you think someone will give up quality prospects for Vargas?

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 07:24 PM) Bulls may be a part of this celtics sixers trade Source?

Moncada single.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 07:31 PM) To me, Fisher has been slightly disappointing this year. Not a bust by any means, but his hitting should be better in A ball. Definitely agree with this. He's 1 1/2 year older than league average. For a guy who was considered a polished hitter coming out of the draft, I expected more out of him than this in low A.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 07:32 PM) Sure but it was never going to be a package "between that of Sale and Eaton" I 100% believe it would have been. Maybe closer to the Eaton deal then some of us originally thought, but I really think you are underselling him here.

Well that was a nice inning for Quintana!

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 16, 2017 -> 07:29 PM) To me, I just don't think Q is the type of pitcher that other teams will sell the farm for. Teams want the guy with big velocity that they project will dominate in the postseason I think that's true to some extent, but there simply aren't many of those guys available. Someone would have ponied up for Q IMO.

What really sucks is there are multiple farm rich teams looking for a starter including the Dodgers. If Quintana was his vintage self, we'd almost certainly get a nice haul.

Good god another HR for Quintana.