Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 07:00 PM) My gut says Kendall. How would everyone feel if they took Kendall and somehow got him to sign below slot? I would hate it because I don't think there's any chance in hell we can develop him.

Take White or Hiura on an underslot deal. Still think White has been their guy this whole time assuming Smith or Haseley weren't there.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 04:54 PM) DA, I don't really know what I would do if I was a scouting director. What I do know is that the kid is legally allowed and encouraged to become a productive member of society from this point on. It does no one any good if he goes on to make less of his life from here on out, does it? What if he was given a chance, and managed to succeed, and donated some of his career earnings to charity or something? I mean, it does no one any good for him to become a ditch digger and become an alcoholic or something. He has served his punishment, and will continue to serve it as a sex offender. I, personally, have no moral issue with him being allowed to play professional baseball. If you do, that is your prerogative, and I accept that. What punishment did he serve? Did he do any jail time?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 02:50 PM) I don't know if this is the case here, but maybe this kid himself was also molested as a child? Certainly not trying to defend him, not trying to take a position on any particular team taking him, but just throwing out the fact that we really don't know much before we rush to all this judgment. We know he molested a young child multiple times. Quite frankly the why doesn't really matter.

I can't see them taking Kendall after Hostetler's comment about only 1/5 guys with swing & miss issues working out. If you're going with that type of player, at least go the prep route where you have much more time to develop that ability.

Haseley, Smith, White in that order.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jun 12, 2017 -> 08:10 AM) Tribune quotes Hostetler as saying that he has a list of six players and only one is a pitcher. That's good news for those of us hoping they go positional. I won't be upset if one of the top arms falls to them, but it would be nice to come out of the 1st round with a positional talent.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 08:22 PM) Love it. Win win. Lol.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 07:16 PM) Not at all, hes been riding the pine this year and will likely continue that trend going forward since he is still experiencing concussion symptoms. hes got a complete NTC and over 20mil guaranteed for the next 3 years before he can be bought out for 5mil. I see his career quickly going the same route as Carl Crawford. You forgot about Fowler and the fact they'll probably sign an impact OF (Harper perhaps) in free agency in the near future. Obviously they don't have to trade Frazier by any means, but they can afford to if it lands them a cost-controlled TOR starter. The problem is Quintana is not pitching like one right now and we'll probably have to wait until the offseason to move him (at the earliest) unless Q goes on a crazy run over the next weeks.

Anderson K's 10x more than he walks. That's f***ing insane and not going to work.

I still think the Yankees make the most sense for Quintana. Clint Frazier is having a nice year and is completely expendable for them. Obviously there would have to be other pieces, but I think a deal makes too much sense for both sides.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) Teams will definitely go by fip and not era but a 4 fip is also not TOR pitching. He should get better than that and I do think they should get at least two top100 prospects and more for him but I could understand why teams would prefer a guy who does it with strikeouts and not with soft contact and Homer prevention. I see the Sox getting a top20 guy as the headliner but maybe not a top5 guy like moncada. Quintana is ranked 20th & 25th in K/9 & K % respectively amongst qualified starters. While not elite per se, he is literally right up there with some of the most dominant pitchers in baseball. And yes, I'm aware that this is not the norm for Quintana and he'd typically fall within the top 45 or so. Regardless, if he could somehow maintain his K rate while getting closer to his normal BB & HR rates, the FIP would be ridiculous and I don't think there'd be much for GMs/scouts to question about him and a truly elite prospect might be attainable. Unfortunately, that's an unrealistic expectation and I think a top 20 type headliner is about right assuming his overall numbers regress to his career norms.

Please dominate these f***s Quintana.

QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 08:55 PM) I think Hansen has done enough to graduate from Kanny. 22 BB / 82 K in 66 2/3 innings seems day and night compared to the hard thrower at OU last year. He needs to be challenged at the next level. It's absurd he's still down there. I have no idea what Getz is doing TBH.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) That would mean most of the players the Sox have acquired are playing poorly. I'll take this year. But if the Sox are that bad next year, they need to start the rebuild all over again because the players they acquired suck. Not all the guys we acquired will be up next year. And there will be a maturity for those that are up. Next year is most likely going to be very ugly no matter what.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) I probably do, and don't know it. I also probably work with a lot of people who've done other terrible things. Unfortunately, most of us aren't independently wealthy and have to work for a living. Come on shack, I agree with you on most social issues, but this is crazy. He has a right to earn a living, but the rest of us have a right to not want to work with such a person. Unfortunately when you're convicted of child molestation, there are going to be some repercussions. One of those is struggling to find work.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 10:20 AM) Really, you should probably know all the details. Normally I would agree, but if he molested a family member and it was reported, I'm going to assume it was pretty f***ing bad. Regardless, people are not going to be around this guy. He's simply not worth the distraction whether he's "reformed" or not.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 10:17 AM) Why? If he wanted to drive a bakery truck, would you say he's unemployable? Should he never be allowed to make a living? Would you want to work with someone who molested a six year old?

QUOTE (Bruce_Blixton @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 10:08 AM) I'm pretty sure he was projected to go in the 3rd or 4th before this revelation, I think he's going to go way later in the draft if he gets drafted at all. I agree with other posters sentiments, people deserve second chances in life especially when they do something regrettable as a teenager. What he did was reprehensible but he should be allowed to show that he has reformed before being cast aside. He was in high school. He wasn't a little kid or something. Child molestation takes a special kind of evil. f*** this dude.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 10:05 AM) He's undraftable in my opinion. Until there's more details, proof of years of counseling, and even maybe starting in independent baseball, you can't bring this guy in. Even then, teams may just pass. Yeah, you don't touch this guy with a 10 foot pole. I agree about giving people second chances, but there is no excuse for molesting a 6 year child regardless of age. None whatsoever. Even if you get past your own moral high ground, drafting him is only going to add clubhouse drama going forward. No reason to put the rest of your prospects in an uncomfortable spot.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 07:23 AM) The organization must not think Engel fits into this rebuild. He has to be upset being demoted after playing well up here. Being replaced by Hansen has to be upsetting to him. What? They want Engel to get everyday at-bats and he wasn't going to get those with Luery playing well in front of him.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 03:05 AM) I guess I should mention I could ask for a delay, and to be pushed back in line, but I want to get the car prior to the end of 2017 so I can immediately take the tax credit, and move somewhere across the country, using that $7500 tax credit as a down payment for a house. Joe, what do you do for a living? You seem to be doing pretty well for yourself if you can afford to buy both a Telsa & house in the same year.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 05:58 PM) Have to be honest, a bats right fields left 1B prospect without significant power seems a little strange. Does he become a corner OF? Why does the "bats right fields left" matter unless you don't like right-handed hitters in general? He's considered elite defensively at 1B and power is the only big caveat to his game. I'm much more willing to gamble on his power coming with physical maturation & coaching, rather than our ability to develop a guy with big swing & miss issues. Having said that, White becoming an OF is what makes him attractive to me. If there's any chance he can stick in CF, he quickly becomes one of the top positional prospects in the entire draft. Even as a corner OF he would still make a ton of sense because he could be plus out there due to his athleticism. Hostetler has made it very clear that he doesn't like guys with serious swing & miss issues. To me, Kendall is a smoke-screen and they're likely targeting a higher floor bat at #11. White gives me a bit of a Zach Collins vibe in that teams valued him very differently based on whether they thought he could stick at catcher or not. The Sox were confident he could and would have apparently drafted him at #1 overall. At least nine teams disagreed with that assumption and decided to pass. White's ability to play CF/OF is a similar question at this time, but if you believe he can stick there he immediately becomes a huge steal at #11.

QUOTE (Bruce_Blixton @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 09:20 PM) Spencer Adams with a Maddux, been very impressive this year. Adams & Guerrero have both been pleasant surprises after rough 2016's.

I have a feeling Davidson's little run is coming to an end. His K rate was over 50% in his last 10 starts coming into tonight.