Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 13, 2012 -> 07:33 PM) I'd be more worried about it if all of baseball hadn't passed on him. I could be wrong, but I don't think Rule 5 draft picks have to pass through waivers before being offered back to their original team.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 06:27 PM) If you want to win this year deal Viciedo for a starter and trade for Youk. I'm all for making moves this year to improve, but under no circumstance do you cripple your future to do so. Trading Viciedo would be exactly that kind of move. Honestly, I think starting pitching is going to be too expensive for our blood. I'd rather consider giving Quintana an extended look or call up Axelrod and then move Humber to bullpen. I think Danks will be more than fine as our #3 the rest of the way and Floyd will most likely turn around at some point. If so, we only need a 5th starter that doesn't completely throw away games IMO. I still think a move Youkilis makes the most sense, but obviously the price would have to right and Gavin would be a terrible overpay.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 04:55 PM) Honestly now that I look at it I'm not really sure who sans Youk works....For Floyd anyway. Headley would make sense but not for Floyd. Maybe one of Axe/Doyle and Tflow/Phegley might work for SD. A pipe dream would be Mike Olt from Texas but I can't see that happening without Tank being involved. Axelrod, Doyle, & Phegley don't have a ton of value. Neither does Flowers, although his physical tools make him more attractive than the other three IMO. None of these guys are going to be the centerpiece for a player like Headley.

QUOTE (2nd_city_saint787 @ Jun 11, 2012 -> 04:10 PM) Axelrod and Doyle have been dominating in the AAA...why not trade Floyd for a 3B and go with Sale-Peavy-Danks-Q-Doyle/Axelrod??? Over their last 10 games Doyle has a 2.05 ERA and a sub 1 whip while Dylan has 2.71 ERA (which includes back to back games of giving up 5 & 7 runs) and a Whip barely above 1. Whats left for them to prove in AAA??? Going with two of Quintana, Doyle, & Axelrod is a terrible idea if you're trying to compete.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 06:41 PM) Well, Molina's given up 90 hits in 69 IP. That's not going to work, no matter how good his control is. Single, double, double, single, 3-0 now against the Barons...still batting in the 1st. 7 hits/15 AB's. ERA back up to 5.06 after getting down to 4.74 entering today. Given the low strikeout totals, I honestly think the Sox have him working on a pitch.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 03:35 PM) I don't feel like mitchell has all that much trade value, even with a solid performance so far in the first half of this season. Just for an example, there seem to be plenty of people saying an 18 year old high schooler who can do a backflip would rank higher on a prospect list than him. At least if I'm an opposing GM, there's nothing in the Sox's system I'd backflip over, even Mitchell. We're talking about Edison Volquez here, not some elite starting pitcher. No one is going to be doing "backflips" for him at the deadline. As for Mitchell, if he maintains his current performance, he'll easily be a top 100 prospect and not some fringe one. The strikeouts are alarming, but he walks a ton, has elite speed, and actually has legitimate power. He has the potential to be one of the best leadoff hitters in the game. To think few GMs would be interested in him is crazy to me.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 02:32 PM) Just because the Reds gave up a fortune for Latos doesn't mean the Padres will be happy to help us out. And "Our top prospect" doesn't mean that much in this system. And "Young starter who has done fairly well in limited major league innings" = "Guy who was picked up off the scrap heap last offseason". Left Handed Major League Reliever = guy with an ERA of 5, WHIP of 1.6, who already lost the closer's job. Guys who have use to us don't necessarily have a ton of value on the trade market sometimes, because the other team has to have a "Cooper who can fix them". The Padres can hold out for a team to overpay for Volquez. If the player was performing better than Volquez currently is, then you would start talking about Addison as the main piece. Volquez has a 1.4 WHIP. His ERA is only respectable because of Petco. Also, he's only cheap because he's coming off an injury-plaqued season. If he can stay healthy then he'll earn a significant raise and will them be a free agent after next season. Why is an one extra year for a lot of money so valuable? As for Santaigo, he's a god damn rookie. Teams don't use the first third of a rookie's first season as gospel. They are going to scout him and see a young, left-handed pitcher with the stuff to be a dominant reliever and possibly a starter. That's incredibly valuable, despite his rookie struggles. And I don't care if Quintana was picked off the scrap heap. If a team thinks he can be a major league starter, then he'll have value. Cheap, cost-controlled left-handed aren't easy to come by.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 01:11 PM) 2 years before free agency, guy who is moderately cheap, not putting up stellar numbers but good enough, the Padres have little reason why they're forced to move him unless they get something valuable back in return. You might, might be able to do that by giving up 3 or 4 pieces from our minor leagues, headlined by Mitchell and a couple pitchers. I could see Mitchell + Santiago + Quintana being the basis of something that would work for the Padres. So let me get this straight. Volquez was basically the 3rd or 4th piece in the Latos trade, yet now he's worth our top prospect, a young starter who has done fairly well in limited major league innings, and a left-handed major leage reliever with lots of upside that might have the stuff to become a starter down the road. All this for an average at-best starting pitcher who has significant injury concerns. I'm sorry but I think you are blowing this guys' value to the Padres out of the water.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) Yeah, I think Carlos has replaced TSalad as our best infield prospect. Plenty young to develop sufficient power going forward. And he doesn't even need to develop that much power if his plate discipline continues to improve. What I love about him compared to someone like Eduardo Escobar is that he's able to draw walks fairly well, even at such a young age. That makes me believe he'll continue to improve in that area.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 11:19 PM) What concerns you so much about attendance? While the attendance is dissapointong, winning baseball games is the only thing that matters right now. Our offense is starting to cool off and we have too many starting pitchers trying their best to lose games. Also, we need to get rid of Will Ohman ASAP. He is just worthless. I don't care what lefties are batting off him, look at his peripherals. There is just no way to use him effectively. I don't care if we call up a RHP to replace him. This is an obvious hole in the bullpen that can be filled with one of our AAA guys.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 9, 2012 -> 08:29 AM) No, I don't think this is true. I agree. I'm pretty sure he's only in charge of baseball activities. I'm not sure who hired Brooks Boyer, but I doubt he had much involvement.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2012 -> 10:53 PM) Sanchez hitting .330 but OPS still under 800. Not easy to do. He was the 3rd youngest player in the league entering the season and is a middle infielder. Not sure why you think a lack of power is surprising.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 08:49 PM) PK supposed to be back tomorrow, but Johnson gives you more versatility when the Sox play at NL parks now that Escobar can also play LF. I don't see the point in promoting Danks for 2 weeks only to send him back down after only a few ABs at most. Wouldn't we have to pass Dan Johnson through waivers when we send him back down eventually? I know it's not the end of world if he gets claimed, but I'd rather not sacrafice the left-handed insurance he provides just in case something more serious happens. If we're talking two weeks or so with Fukudome, I'm fine with Danks getting the call.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 07:33 PM) Dollars paid to player following trade: Tony Pena: $2.8 million Brandon Allen: Great point. What's 1 WAR valued at these days?

QUOTE (danman31 @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 03:08 PM) Ha, that's classic. For a trade that got repeatedly blasted, Kenny ended up winning it. Winning a trade because a prospect flames out doesn't mean it was the best use of the asset. I don't care if Allen ever plays another game, I honestly believe KW targeted Pena and overpaid to get him.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 11:03 AM) Disagree, and agree with Caulfield. Let Ravelo stay at Kanny thru the All Star Game. Unless he goes into a slump or gets hurt between now and then, send him up to W-S. We don't know how good this kid is. With all our troubles at third, we need to push him along. Rockies have a 20 year old at third base in AA, and he is doing well. There are others at his age doing well in all classifications, including the majors. Unfortunately, promoting minor leaguers is not just based on individual performance but also the development needs of the player above them at the same position. Juan Silverio is not a great prospect, but he's only 21 and has some interesting tools, which makes him an important player in a system as bad as ours. Any value he has or can develop is based on his ability to play 3B. Right now that looks unlikely, but you need to keep out there in case he can make some progress. Since Silverio is age appropriate for his league and not dominating, there really is no need to promote him yet. The same logic applies to Ravelo, even if there was a spot available in Winston Salem.

Beck looks like he could be quite the steal. I really hope they treat him like a first rounder and send him directly to Kannapolis if he signs quickly. If all goes well, he could start next season at Winston Salem. That seems like the age and skill appropriate level for a player like him.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 07:56 PM) Blah. Not a fan of another OF this early with the organization starving for SP. And I can guarantee we target pitching (and middle IFs) during the international signing period. Plus our minor league pitching depth is way, way better than our position depth.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Jun 4, 2012 -> 11:59 PM) Our last couple of drafts had yield guys like Thompson, Mitchell, and Walker. Guys who are fairly young, and are tremendous athletes. Picks like Hawkins and Barnum are along the same line, albeit a bit younger. My pet peeve about the draft so far is both players could have serious contact issues, they could have more power and be just as good an athlete as Thompson, but if they are striking out once every three ABs, they will be more risk than reward. I am not going to pretend I know too much about other prospects, but I was hoping the Sox would nab a guy who can hit for great contact, and could just be average across other areas, something our organization is missing from top to bottom. The guys you listed are all unfinished products, so we shouldn't jump to conclusions about them yet. However, they all have a chance to be impact players, which is exactly what you should be targeting with your 1st & 2nd round picks. Obviously I wish the guys we drafted yesterday had better contact skills right now, but if they did they wouldn't be available when we picked them. Therefore, you're left with guys with some flaws or can take lower ceiling players. IMO, you always take the potential impact player if available.

QUOTE (Cali @ Jun 5, 2012 -> 12:02 AM) I wasn't saying only Wilkins. it'd be like a package of Wilkins, Mitchell, and more... and even still that's not really as good a package as other teams can offer.... This post is just ridiculous. No team is offering a prospect like Mitchell for half a season of Kevin f***ing Yoikilis. I know your always negative about Sox, but try to be somewhat realistic with your complaints and theories.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 1, 2012 -> 07:34 PM) I'm always for best player available, but I would love to see the Sox go the position playing route in close situations this draft. We only have a handful of position playing prospects with major league ceilings and will have several holes to fill at the major league level over the next three years. Also, I'd really like to see more high school players drafted in the top 10 rounds. I seriously hate looking at our low A roster and seeing 23 & 24 years old on there. Having said that, I'd most likely avoid a high school pitcher in the first round. Looks like both my wishes came true. While the comp pick might have been a slight reach, with the new draft rules I think it makes sense to be a little cautious this year.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 3, 2012 -> 11:31 AM) If you think Gavin is the definition of a damn good quality starting pitcher you have a very inflated value for give away Gavin. Let someone else whether it be Boston or another sucker deal with the headcase. He would not be missed at all. Take a look around baseball and tell me how many rotations include three starters better than Gavin.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 3, 2012 -> 10:23 AM) I have not seen the Sox mentioned as being in on Soler. Plus given our current position, I see KW using any money towards upgrading the major league roster.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 3, 2012 -> 10:58 AM) When the Sox got Floyd from Phillies.............Philly brass felt about Floyd what most of Sox fans feel he is never going to be more than what he is now. Trading Floyd for Youk would not be overpaying to me........Floyd's value decreases every start. It would be a huge overpay. Why do people think quality starting pitchers are so easy to find? I know how frustrating Floyd can be at times, but he also has stretches of dominance. When you look at his performance in aggregate, he's at least a damn good #4 starter, which is all we need him to be. Plus he's under control for another season at a reasonable price. He's significantly more valuable than Youkilis.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Jun 2, 2012 -> 03:05 PM) Sox are in on Youkilis and if it happens they want it done soon. What are the Red Sox looking for? How would the financials work?