Chicago White Sox

I agree but watch the Sox somehow acquire Murphy for a Vaughn/Ramos led package and then go with a four headed 1B/DH monster of Grandal, Eloy, Sheets, & Burger.

I don’t care if we only got four quality years out of the deal, sign Judge to a 9/$342M deal and I would be the happiest person in the world.

Pretty much seems that way unless the ~$180M figure is misdirection.

I’d have us somewhere in the $167M to $175M range depending on we account for buy-outs and dead money.

I don’t think he needs to add more muscle or anything, just fix his broken ass launch angle and have him stop swinging at s%*# out of the zone. If he can elevate the ball better and wait for pitches he can actually punish, the power numbers will improve significantly.

Colas.

Good question. If the answer is no, then that might explain why Clevinger would want a mutual option.

That I do know, which makes them kind of dumb. However, I figured the idea here was to give Clevinger an extra $4M guaranteed in the event he is bad and the Sox decide to buy him out whereas the Sox are protected in the event he is good and doesn’t exercise his side of the mutual option. Sounds like I’m wrong here, but I guess I don’t really get it otherwise because you can simply include deferred dollars in the contract with a mutual option.

I guess my question is if we exercise the mutual option for 2024 and Clevinger declines, are we off the hook for the $4M? I assume the answer is yes, which would make this an ever better deal.

Jose was better last year, but gun to head I’m taking Giolito over him for next year.

You’d have to sign a free agent like Quintana or Manaea, but I think that would be a likely downgrade.

That’s the million dollar question no one who wants to trade Lucas can answer. And in a rotation with three dudes already with health concerns, it’s very hard to move one of the two dependable guys who can soak up innings.

I really don’t care what FG lists him at currently, he’s 100% a 55 FV prospect by my self evaluation.

I word for word said “blue chip prospects”, which I view as guys with a 55 FV grade or above. On average, there are 40 to 50 of these guys in a given year. There were three of those traded at the deadline. Two went for a sure-fire future Hall of Famer and the other went to a team with a 20 year post-season draught in a trade that was generally viewed as an abnormally high price. Why don’t you tell me how many of those 2021 top 100 prospects were traded when they were top 40 to 50 prospects?

The Giolito ranking is very misleading as he was losing some helium by the time we acquired him.

The game has radically changed since then and blue chip prospects are more valuable than ever. The Adam Eaton deal is a poor comp for a Reynolds trade. Regardless, two top 75 prospects is not worth the same as Montgomery & Vaughn. Teams aren’t stupid. Andrew was a top 20 prospect who was rushed like crazy and played out of position by a desperately dumb organization. This same kid had a 125 wRC+ through August of last year despite the worst hitting coach in baseball playing up his worst tendencies and before his legs wore out from playing the OF. Every intelligent organization would die to acquire him and watch him develop into a 140 wRC+ hitter. He’s worth considerably more than you think he is despite only four years of control. And conveniently you use the MLB.com rankings for Montgomery and not Baseball America’s, who have him as the #35 overall prospect. The difference between the #35 prospect and a guy in the 60’s or 70’s is massive. And guys like Montgomery, especially of the positional variety, don’t get moved very often in this day and age. He is the type of centerpiece prospect that would get the Pirates’ attention and one very clubs would be willing to match. Honestly, I’m doubtful the Sox would even consider moving him. I truly believe something like Montgomery, Ramos, & Vera would be incredibly tempting to the Pirates and I’m not sure many teams would actually want to pay a steeper price than that.

Who is offering more than that?

Those ZiPS projections are insanely conservative for our younger position players though. I think with even just reasonable additions it’s unlikely we finish below .500 next year.

So I listened to this and Murray said it would include a mutual option, which is basically is just an easy way to defer some money to the following season.

Not Sox related, but hearing the Cubs aren’t big on Senga and are pushing hard for Taillon. Wouldn’t be surprised if that happened at the Winter Meetings.

@maloney.adam - Is Bruce really stealing your made up rumors?

That would be way too much IMO