Chicago White Sox

Of course there is…these games don’t matter

Sheets is a bench player for us at the moment.

You’re arguing two different things now. You said the Padres wouldn’t move two arms in the same deal despite just offering those two arms in a deal for a player before they had even acquired more SP depth. Now you’re arguing something about Vaughn who was never part of my hypothetical. What we do know is the Padres offered the Mets Paddack, Pagan, & ~$30M in cash to take on Hosmer’s contract and receive Dom Smith. The Mets rejected that deal, so I think it’s safe to say the Padres would have to give more to get a deal down. And personally, I think Sheets is more valuable than Smith his lengthier amount of control remaining.

Moncada doesn’t care about spring training though and isn’t putting forth full effort

Didn’t the Padres just offer both Paddack & Weathers in packages for Reynolds? And wasn’t that before they acquired Manaea?

You crazy bro…it’s spring fucking training and Moncada don’t give a fuck. Let’s give him two weeks in the regular before we assume he’s somehow going to be worse offensively than on 2021.

If Cease was originally the #3 and now that’s Kopech’s spot you’re looking pretty good @Tnetennba

There are no other pitchers in camp so I doubt it.

If we carry 14 position guys, that extra guy is basically not playing. Leury, Engel, & Sheets will already be struggling for consistent PT and if Grandal gets any DH time that only squeezes the other guys further.

I honestly can’t tell if you’re a Sox fan or a Padres / Hosmer fan.

Let’s hope…would be nice to extract some value as Adolfo still has a chance to be a good player.

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Burr was solid for us down the stretch last year. I think him and Crick can eat up some low leverage innings at minimum.

I mean, they should be trading Adolfo to a rebuilding club for a semi-interesting reliever with a single option left. Any way to add reinforcements in AAA would be helpful.

The problem is he’s a guy who should be bouncing between AAA and the majors as injuries occur but the lack of the options prevents that.

That’s the problem when you have zero depth. We really got to hope Crick’s AAA rebound translates to the majors and that one of the other young arms can step up. And that’s just the bullpen, far less chances for breakout performances with the rotation depth.

They may straight up reject the trade, but not wanting to give up Weathers does not mean they can ask for Vaughn. That’s a ridiculous proposition.

Yeah, don’t think he survives the season.

Just to be clear, the trade would be taking Hosmer at $30M to get two controllable arms with surplus value. Anything you get out of Hosmer would be a plus. That’s the concept and by including Sheets the move would be net neutral from a 1B-DH type position.

Would probably make more sense

What’s this Dallas pitching thing about? Tony confirmed he’s part of the rotation today, so doubtful that Velasquez & Lopez have both passed him if that’s what Harold was getting at.

I’m guessing they keep everyone on five days rest and you get Kopech plus whoever his tandem starter will be.

Hosmer’s stats vs RHP since joining San Diego: 2018: 124 wRC+ | 10.3% BB rate | 22.5% K rate | .167 ISO | 25.5% HR/FB 2019: 103 wRC+ | 5.8% BB rate | 26.1% K rate | .184 ISO | 25.0% HR/FB 2020: 161 wRC+ | 6.8% BB rate | 18.4% K rate | .266 ISO | 26.9% HR/FB 2021: 109 wRC+ | 10.6% BB rate | 17.7% K rate | .128 ISO | 11.7% HR/FB ISO, HR/FB, & Hard Hit (not shown) rates way down from his recent norms, but the K & BB rates were good and he was still 9% above league average against RHP. He’s a strict platoon guy, but I’d probably gamble $30M on him as role player if it gets me two young arms that can help me win now. Just got to be willing to eat the contract if it doesn’t work out.

Probably makes the most sense, but I’d probably keep him around for a couple months in case he shows enough to be moved for some salary relief. If not, you’re giving ~3% of your CBT space to acquire two controllable arms that can give you innings right now. It all comes down to how much my scouts & Katz like the two young arms. Financially I think it could work this year and be minimally disruptive moving forward even if released.

You’d still have to give up a couple good prospects and/or Sheets I’d imagine. The real challenge here is Moose’s contract is massive and would add considerable payroll, which I don’t see happening. Also, what’s happening to Vaughn in your plan?