Chicago White Sox

I don’t follow. He’s striking out about 10% more frequently than last year, which represents a two point increase in his actual K rate. One reflects absolute change, the other relative. To say only one matters doesn’t make a lick of sense to me.

He spent a chunk of his winter in Arizona working on changing his approach at the plate. Just because he doesn’t play with a lot of emotion, doesn’t necessarily mean he’s not a high effort guy.

Yup, doesn’t really make a ton of sense.

His K rate is 22% this year vs 20% last year...that’s a 10% increase in the rate. If his K rate was up 10 actual points, his rate would be up 50% vs prior year.

He’s not wrong, Cole would be a perfect addition for this team. Just make him the Manny offer (without the options) and he would be ours.

His K rate has improved in August, so it’s not as bad as it was. But a 10% increase is still a red flag and something that shouldn’t be ignored when projecting out his age curve.

Yup, that’s the concern.

And I’m all for something like 2/$25M. Hell, I’d probably be ok with a slightly higher AAV, it’s the years that I care about. I don’t want money and more importantly a roster spot committed to Jose in 2022 at the point in time.

100% agree with this.

I’ve been highlighting batted ball profile for a while now and generally agree, but Jose is striking out a ton more and walking way less. It’s very possible (or even likely) he’s selling out other parts of his game for power.

No worries at all, just making sure I’m not coming off as complaining about Abreu. I’m firmly in the middle on this matter, as I want to bring him back but don’t want to vastly overpay simply because of what he’s done for us in the past.

Vile said at least 3/$36M, which would be a pretty big overpay, especially on the years side of things. Do you really think teams will be eager to pay Abreu into his age 35 season?

How was I complaining about Abreu?

And I want to bring him back on a short-term deal, just explaining to Greg that he’s not a stud simply because of 30 HR’s & 100 RBI’s. He has flaws that bring down his value to some extent, which was Passan’s point.

You’re missing the point. A .320 OBP is not good, which suggests Abreu is a power or nothing hitter right now and those guys have limited value.

Why is this a terrific post? You actually want to overpay Jose and risk locking in below average production at some point in time? It’s hard to take your endless criticisms of Jerry seriously when you’re advocating unwavering loyalty here.

Do some research man. Sheets’ OPS ranks 15th in the entire league and he’s amongst the best hitters since mid May. Vaughn was 38% above average in Low A and is currently 22% above average in High A. This is the kid’s draft year and he’s already displaying signs of being an elite hitter, such as a 14% BB rate and 12% K rate for W-S. The BABIP will go up and normalize with time and the power will be in full force next season. I’d wager large some sums of money that Vaughn is pushing for a major league spot by the end of next season. He’s completely outperformed Madrigal in his draft season and look how quickly Nick has advanced this year (should be in the majors already). You are once again being emotional and thinking with dick and not your brain.

No idea what Machado has to do with Abreu. Manny was 26 years old last offseason, while Abreu will be entering his age 33 season. One plays above well average defense at a position of skill while the other is a DH who happens to play a terrible 1B. Citing only their offensive stats (without accounting for the differences in home parks no less) and trying to rationalize any argument is just plain dumb. I love Jose and would love to see him back, but rewarding him with more than a two year deal at a reasonable price is straight-up emotional decision-making and it would likely reduce our ability to build a winner. Loyalty should be rewarded to some extent, but that does not mean we should hand him a starting role indefinitely or overpay him for past production. Extending Jose beyond his age 34 season at this point in time would be absolute insanity.

Giolito is now 4th in fWAR amongst starters and his K per 9 rate of 11.5 ranks 7th overall in tier right below the absolute elite guys in Cole, Scherzer, & Verlander. If he’s not an ace, I’d argue there are only three of them in baseball.

Honestly, I’m assuming he’s trade bait this offseason and they didn’t want to risk a rough starting stint at AA.

I’ve lost most hope in Cordell, but I think it’s absolutely ridiculous we don’t just release Jay and give the younger a look.

I’m certain they will and I don’t see him being foolish enough to pass up on a big guarantee after some of the struggles he’s experienced in the past. I don’t think the fact he comes from a rich family will have any baring.

Snell got 5/$50M early this year with the same amount of control and coming off a Cy Young winning season. Severino & Nola got 4/$40 & 4/$45M respectively plus an option year (I believe both were Super 2 guys). Any deal in that range should be a no-brainer for us as long as we buy out at least one free agent year.

Yep, perfectly logical to want to hand José Abreu a five year contract.

@Moan4Yoan famously referred to it as “regression”...