Chicago White Sox

Thank you...and that’s the point. A lot of the stereotypes of the White Sox have been turned over in recent years.

I’ll admit he was better / higher regarded at the time of the trade than I originally let on (although he wasn’t very good by modern metrics). That being said, if we have to go back to 1992 to find a “big” Cubs-Sox trade that still reinforces my point.

Does that make you four years old, because I’m still struggling to see how Josh Donaldson wasn’t a great player.

That was @Moan4Yoan claiming it was “regression”.

Sheets has been awesome since a slow start, Rutherford not so much despite the common perception around here.

Yeah, that 1998 roster just reaks of rebuilding with no namers like Frank Thomas, Albert Belle, & Robin Ventura.

Lol...so was Ken Griffey Jr, but I don’t really call that a big trade when he was at the end of his career. Bell was out of the league after two seasons with us and wasn’t very good at the time of the trade. But hey, keep on reaching.

Yeah, unfortunately I don’t work in the front office and can say with absolute authority that they’ll raise their payroll to ~$125M. I can say with certainty they can afford a payroll of that level, that they should spend at that level, and that I think they will spend at that level, but whether they immediately jump there in 2020 remains an IF until they do.

What are these big trades you’re referring to? Sammy Sosa for George Bell in 1992? Matt Karchner for Jon Garland in 1998? Neil Cotts for David Aardsma in 2006? I know Sosa became a star, but none of those were anything like the Quintana deal in terms of scale and the risk both clubs took on. Also, White Flag Trade had nothing to do with rebuilding. They traded a couple of decent pieces, but kept the vast majority of the core. That is one of the biggest reaches I’ve seen in a long time.

Just like we’d never rebuild, never trade a star to the Cubs, and never go into the international free agency penalty box.

Oh my bad, thought you meant the majors.

I saw him at SoxFest and he’s easily the most impressive physical talent I have seen in my life baseball wise.

Who else would be impacted other than Sanchez?

The only pitcher getting more than five years will be Cole IMO. That means everyone else should be in our wheelhouse (see Danks deal.) And I get people being skeptical if we’ll ever sign a guy to a $200M+ deal, but that doesn’t mean we can’t land the vast majority of free agents this offseason. People are just so butt hurt over last offseason that they’re no longer being rational. We’ve always had middle of the pack payrolls or better under Jerry and that isn’t going to suddenly change because we temporarily cut back on spending like all rebuilding teams do.

Oh remember, Reinsdorf finally decided to rebuild at 80+ years of age so he could line his pockets with all those sweet rebuild savings!!

Just like many others here, he won’t be willing to take a guess but will then say we won’t sign anyone implying a $80M payroll next year.

Who is saying they’re moving?

The problem wouldn’t be Bummer as the closer IMO, it would be the fact we just lost our best setup man. Right now, we have three quality relievers we can count on in Colome, Bummer, & Fry. For better or worse, Herrera will be in the mix next year and cross our fingers he returns to form. Even with Colome, we’ll need to add at least one quality RH setup man. Trading Colome would’ve made fixing the bullpen a bigger effort this offseason, but potentially would have worth it for a young, major league ready RF or SP.

I guess we’ll have to wait and see. And while Cole is the guy we should be going all out for, when I say TOR starter I’m speaking loosely and including guys like Wheeler & Bumgarner. If we’re unable to land one of the top four or five starters in free agency, then pack this shit up and move the team to Nashville because the organization is toast in Chicago.

You’re saying for the two rotation pieces? Yeah, ideally one of them would be left-handed. Adds more complexity that we’re so right-handed in both the lineup and rotation.

Oh we have no choice, just would have been nice to limit the draft pick damage is all I’m saying.

I think there’s practically zero chance they deal him this offseason. He’s our closer next year or at least in the mix. Realistically, our biggest offseason needs are now the following (in no particular order): TOR starter Depth starter RH setup man Right fielder Veteran 1B / DH Left-banded bat* That’s at minimum five additions that are needed this offseason (assuming one of those bats is left-handed). Hahn will definitely need to be aggressive if he wants to fill all those spots. Would have helped if we got started at this deadline.

The challenge Hahn faces this offseason is the farm system is in really rough shape after you remove untouchables. Just too many guys who regressed or got injured this year. That puts a ton of pressure on him to fill a lot of holes via free agency. If they’re willing to fund a league average payroll, then I think it’s doable. But if they plan on filling major holes via trade, they’re in for a rude awakening.

Dude, I literally said in this thread that WAR doesn’t account for context which is admittedly a short-coming. Are you actually reading our posts?

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