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Cards will be looking at Cargo now that whatshisname signed with Cubs. Per someone on MLB Network.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) For me Fulmer is more untouchable than Anderson. I'm hoping our third baseman of the future is Trey M. Ditto. Before considering this trade, Hahn has to determine if this kid with Rockies is a much better prospect than Trey.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 04:14 PM) Why does it seem like the Sox always get former superstars past their prime? Dunn, Thome, Vizquel, Manny Ramirez, Andruw Jones, Griffey, etc. The list goes on and on. I agree. Ask Kenny.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 04:20 PM) I could see the Sox moving. But I ALSO could see the team staying. Are Jerry's relatives and the investors going to sell the team when he dies or keep it? In a city as big as Chicago, are there rumors of any local zillionaires wanting to buy and keep the team in Chicago? If the Reinsdorfs and the investors keep the team forever, ugh. I could see it moving or continuing to flounder. Disagree. Think back to 2005. The White Sox had done it. World Series. The Sox were the toast of the town. The Cubs franchise sucked. Oh yes they were still the Cubs and all the sellouts and the darlings of the baseball world. But they were truly second fiddle. The Sox COMPLETELY and utterly blew it. Almost instantly the team began its downward trend. Now finally the last 3 years the team has sucked. But after 05 the Sox had their chance to be THE team in town for a long time. They only have themselves to blame. I dont know if the Central Division teams went after them, but the Sox have one of the worst organizations in the Central now. Very sad. It can change again, but no question the Sox had it all going in 05 and blew it! Thank you, Kenny. If the White Sox had a new owner like Mark Cuban, things would change.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 10:42 AM) What was so bad about Erstad? I mean, he wasn't good, but he put up a positive WAR... When Erstad tried to play CF for White Sox, he was the worst I have ever seen, including Little League. He could not throw a lick, and there he was, out there in CF. Another name to add is Ken Griffey, but he deserves a break because he was at the end of a great career. Lousy with Sox, however, as was Manny Ramirez. Talk about a waste of $3 Million.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 11:41 AM) That's fine, but this isn't the "most hated" thread that sprang up a while ago, so guys who didn't perform all belong. Koch was a primary reason the '03 team missed the playoffs. One of Kenny's better moves. He didn't want to pay Keith Foulke, so he traded him to Oakland for Koch, and then he gives Koch a raise. Foulke continued a pretty good career with Oakland and Boston, Koch got hit real hard.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 11, 2015 -> 02:36 PM) Would Eaton's defense improve playing RF instead of CF? No, but it would if he were switched to LF.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 04:41 PM) just a long shot here,but can this be an idea of the sox making plans for a new of"er to come in?? Nope. Sox FO is not smart enough.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 05:45 PM) Half this board was so convinced Paulino was going to be great Not me. One of our Admins sure thought so.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 09:58 AM) Remember, keep this thread strictly to plans of what Sox could/should do given the current moves already. Do not stray off topic. Sign OF Justin Upton 6 years/125 million Trade OF Avail Garcia, SS Tim Anderson, SP Frankie Montas, and 2B Micah Johnson to the Reds for Todd Frazier Trade RP Zach Putnam to the Diamondbacks for Competitive B Draft Pick Trade 1B Adam LaRoche + Cash to the Pirates for 1 lower level minor leaguer Lineup: LF Adam Eaton (L) DH Melky Cabrera (S) 1B Jose Abreu RF Justin Upton 3B Todd Frazier 2B Brett Lawrie C Alex Avila/Dioner Navarro (L) (S) CF Trayce Thompson SS Tyler Saladino 2B/SS Carlos Sanchez (S), OF J.B Shuck (L), C Alex Avila (L)/Dioner Navarro (S), Rule 5 pick/FA/Mike Olt Rotation: SP Chris Sale (L) SP Jose Quintana (L) SP Carlos Rodon (L) SP Erik Johnson SP John Danks (L) Bullpen: RP Jacob Turner (long man) RP Jake Petricka RP Dan Jennings (L) RP Tommy Kahnle RP Zach Duke (L) RP Nate Jones CP David Robertson Thoughts? Sox would be crazy to give up that much for Frazier.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 10, 2015 -> 03:07 AM) Welp. Didn't want the player, but can't be mad at the price. We gave up nothing of significance, and no one interesting that I would have wanted to see pan out. Seeing the price, I'm ok with this. Only makes us slightly better, but at least it was at no real cost at all. I wouldn't go that far. Zach Erwin had a solid year in 2015. I know, he was a bit old for the rookie league (21), but he pitched very well there and at Kanny. That's all you can ask for a guy drafted last June. He was probably ticketed for W-S in 2016, and if he did well there, he would have been on the Top 30 list. I would be interested in Northsider's opinion.

40 man roster still at 38.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 09:55 PM) I need one of you negative miserable posters to tell me how this is a bad move. One! Please! So I can laugh at you and talk about you to my entire family as you personally being a representative for all negative moronic Soc fans that are impossible to please. Not me.

Please don't trade Tim Anderson. He's just a year away, maybe less. Don't sweat his 25 errors as short last season. He'll get better. Aparicio made errors in the minors, too. He can hit. He can run. He'll be an exciting player for many years. Naturally, everyone else wants him.

Future Sox Coach.

But you're not going to start a thread on the 2017 draft, are you?

Bosox gave up, what, a second round pick?

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 09:18 AM) Why would Price opt out after 3 years? It's highly unlikely that he'd get a higher AAV than this new deal after those 3 years when he's 33 and most likely on the decline. But then again, these contracts teams are handing out are crazy so he probably will get more next time around. Because GM's often make stupid moves. Not their money they're spending.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 01:06 AM) You harp on endlessly about "hero worship" yet think Price is worth that contract? No. Way overpaid, not good for baseball. I think.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 1, 2015 -> 08:27 AM) Nah. It's classic Chris Rock man. Men need 3 things: Food, Sex, Silence. That's about it. And, Strange Sex. That's the way I heard it. Funnier when Chris Rock does it.

I remember him well. Great story.

"Can't get big league hitters out" is an expression, Wite, not a literal statement. I thought with your Adminhood you would know the difference. I wasn't talking about his performance in 2013-14. Last season, he had a lot of trouble getting anyone out, especially after his first 30 days after being called up. He pitched 30 innings last season, so with your powers of deduction, he recorded 90 outs. He gave up 46 hits and 23 walks/HBP. And he was getting worse as the season progressed. Figure it out. He couldn't get MANY/ENOUGH hitters out, okay?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 29, 2015 -> 10:54 PM) Wouldn't starting on the DL be less of a risk, since it makes the player much easier to hide? Can a team draft a Rule 5 guy and immediately put him on the 60 day DL?

QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 29, 2015 -> 03:50 PM) There's some talented players on this team that you just cant afford to waist any time with. If you do then trade them. Trade Abreu,Sale,Q and whoever else. In my opinion if you cant build a team with those guys to atleast be competitive on a regular basis that just shows the incompetence of that front office. Plus if that was the plan Robin should have quit. Standing pat would only be more fuel to the fire. Baron, I don't believe the FO can build a competitive, contending team for 2016-2017 around those players you mentioned. Not sure anyone can. Too may holes. But with one shrewd trade they can be ready to contend in 2017, assuming our 2 primo prospects are indeed ready to contribute in 2017, and the high level prospects received in the trade are ready to some extent in 2017. As I stated, IMO the reality is that 2016 will be another bad year, but it can get a lot better after that, unless FO makes more bad moves ala one year ago. Abreu and Sale will still be very good in 2017.

QUOTE (Baron @ Nov 29, 2015 -> 02:54 PM) I think that's almost certainly the case. Out of all the options adding and continuing to build makes the most sense. Standing pat made the least sense. I'm not so sure. I just think that if Sox go after and sign a big time free agent, they'll regret it, and so will we. Sox have two primo prospects that should be ready in either late 2016 or opening day, 2017. A couple other prospects should emerge next year, too. Plus, if Sox draft well again next year, it will help big time. My other thought is to trade Q for 3-4 really good (Boston) prospects, and by 2018 we will have a young, exciting team to pull for. Maybe 2017. Either way, unless some miracle occurs, 2016 figures to be a repeat of 2015, regardless of what they do. If they have money to burn, spend it some Cuban prospects.