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I've literally been saying this for years now. So, agreed.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 29, 2015 -> 10:23 AM) And we waited for Dunn and Danks to do just that....and, are still waiting. Even with Cabrera and Eaton hitting much better, this team is still fundamentally-flawed. With those players rising, guys like Ramirez, Beckham and Avi are correspondingly falling, so we're still not doing anything much besides treading water. If it's not the bullpen, it's the defense...if it's not the offense, it's the base running. We can fix one wall of the foundation, but the whole thing will collapse eventually and need to be rebuilt from the ground up. And I'm not even sure who we are waiting on NOW that we can expect to return us to greater glory? Alexei Ramirez? Samardzija? Quintana? Beckham? Sanchez? Gillaspie? Flowers? Robertson/Duke? So Dunn declined, therefore no White Sox players will ever bounce back. (Danks doesn;t count, his shoulder was ruined and no one thought he was bouncing back. Or at least no one should have)

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 26, 2015 -> 02:28 PM) I can't give you specific names but I am CONVINCED fully my plan of keeping Sale, Q, Rodon, and our new draftee pitcher to go with Abreu and A. Garcia (I guess he's a fine prospect still) and trading all the pieces Hahn acquired last offseason is our best bet for immediate success. Those are a lot of bodies to trade and I'll leave it to him to fix the problems with those bodies as trade bait. Our ONLY hope is to ride what could be a top of the line rotation to the top. It would help if we could get in another division though. Sox are patsies to division foes in Central. So: 1. Keep good players 2. Replace bad players I think you're onto something, greg.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 09:53 AM) Am I missing something or does Appel look like a bust? I'd think they'd trade him ahead of McCullers and Velazquez at least. Yeah, Appel's value is down. I just don't think half a year of the version of Samardzija that looks like a 3-4 starter is worth much at all. But, with Cueto now maybe looking injured and the Kazmir now maybe looking less available, who knows?

They're saying Hanley is worse in LF than Manny was, and they're saying it's because he refuses to care at all.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 07:43 AM) Frickin' day games man. It's good -- it means you can watch the 12-15 minute condensed version on mlb.tv when you get home from work, so you waste much less time before they let you down.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 25, 2015 -> 07:26 AM) Appel, Phillips and Nottingham for Samardzija. Would the Astros do it? No, we're not going to get that much.

Alex Guerrero has a clause in his contract that allows him to become a free agent if he is traded. If he's good, he's a half year rental, if he's bad, we're stuck with his contract. He is not a good target because of this.

Alright, I hate the team now. You guys win.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 04:08 PM) poop.

QUOTE (jasonxctf @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 02:54 PM) worth noting, these arent giveaway bobble heads.. looks like you have to purchase them separately. Come dressed in your finest Star Wars attire and then march in a pre-game parade around the field. We'll be featuring Star Wars graphics and music throughout the game as well as offering an exclusive Adam Wan Kenobi bobble head for the first 1,200 fans to purchase! Ahh okay. Special package, makes more sense.

QUOTE (My_Sox_Summer @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 12:03 PM) Sunday, September 13, 2015 - 1:10 P.M. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/ticket...sp?loc=starwars Only 1,200 vouchers. Only 1,200? Jesus, we give out twice that and we're Single A. Hmmm... maybe I'm ordering too many bobbleheads.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 24, 2015 -> 01:07 PM) He says trade Sale for prospects and Toronto is the team to do it. The Toronto fan asks about it, and he says young pitching is fools good, be lucky if 2 of 4 turn out and 1 out of 4 would be normal. So trade Sale for 4 prospects and hope 2 work out., but only bet on 1. That is a great idea. I can't believe teams aren't lining up offering Cameron their GM job. Yeah, I don't want to trade Chris Sale at all, but if it WAS going to happen, I'd certainly hope it wasn't Toronto, because all their elite prospects are pitchers. To be fair to Cameron, he said Toronto is the team that makes the most sense to go balls out for him, he didn't say that the Sox should prefer Toronto's eventual offer.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 09:08 AM) 2. Micah Johnson- We had a prospect actually come up and hold his own, kind of. How exciting is that? That's like the first time in 10 years. His defense should come along and his base running certainly will. If by "hold his own" you mean, "put up -0.3 fWAR in just 83 PA," then we are in agreement. Sub-replacement level is a strange definition of "hold his own" though.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:41 PM) I think you're confusing him with Tim Anderson. Actually, if you combined the two (Micah/Tim)...Crawford's XB power and Pierre's stolen base ability. Still, Crawford was a Top 5-10 MVP caliber player early in his TB career, don't imagine we'll see that happen but we can always hope, right? Unfortunately, we have "half players" all over the place. Combine Sanchez/Micah as well, you've got a decent player. Beckham with Gillaspie, etc. That's why I said "best case." I'm not banking on that outcome by any stretch of the imagination, but I think that's his upside. I think Micah has the potential for nearly, if not quite the same level of pop as Crawford. Whether he goes down the Crawford or the Pierre path is going to depend on the type of approach he chooses to try to develop. If he ends up 80% as productive as either player, though, it'll be a very good career.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:05 PM) If Micah can't improve defensively then there's almost no amount of offensive production that is going to make it worth having him as a starter on this team. I see his best-case as a Juan Pierre/Carl Crawford-type outfielder.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 07:59 PM) So suffering through Sanchez's complete lack of a bat is the preferred alternative to letting Micah's defense develop at the big league level? To my completely nonprofessional eyes, Micah's issues are his stone hands much more than something easily learnable like footwork or positioning. I just don't see him ever being even an average second baseman. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) His BABIP has always been on the high end. I agree with you on the high strikeouts. That rate is only going to rise the vast majority of the time, when you start to face better pitching. I am not a big Sanchez guy, but he is better than he has shown. I'm #TeamSanchez and I agree. When I say I'm #TeamSanchez, I'm saying I think he can be 75-80 wRC+ with good defense, not any kind of star. But that really goes back to the whole "trade Sale" stuff. I truly believe that when all the chips fall, Sanchez is an 80, Melky is a 100, Eaton is a 110, and Abreu is a 135, and if all that can happen, the team can win a ton more games. I'm the offical Anti-Avi and I still think he can give us 100. It certainly might be too big a hole to dig out of this year, but I don't think you actually have to fill 7 holes on the diamond like it LOOKS right now.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 08:24 PM) Avi has to learn how to hit an inside fastball from righties. His current approach is terrible. Fixed

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) Has Avi's knee contributed to his recent poor play? He was our best hitter before he went down, and since he's come back his performance has plummeted. I'm not blaming it all on the knee but that has to be part of it, right? When he was hitting well, his BABIP was ~.450. Now it's down to .348, which is still pretty high, but it's had a long way to fall so it's probably been much lower over the last 3-4 weeks . Basically, everything was falling for him for 6 weeks or so. It's the same thing that happened to Tyler Flowers during his Magic Glasses session last year. EDIT: I admit this is an oversimplification, but I think it explains a lot of it. ANOTHER EDIT: I looked at the wrong number, his BABIP is still pretty high, correct BABIP in now.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:14 PM) No, not even close. You're really grasping at straws. It's differentiating between "star" and "great player." You're circumventing the argument because it goes against the "we can't rebuild because Sox" crap argument you've made for years. But you defined that distinction specifically on popularity, which is irrelevant. Billboards sell when the brand is popular, and the brand is popular when the team wins. We should only care about talent, not likeability.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:10 PM) Agreed. That proposal is a joke. Sale's return would be unprecedented. Maybe Urias, Seager and Grandal get the Sox listening, but that I still don't think that's enough...maybe taking Danks contract too. He way undervalues Abreu. If he was a FA this offseason, he would have gotten a $200M deal. He'd get the Sox a HAUL if they wanted to move him. I don't think the Sox are thinking of moving Abreu or Sale, but it does make some sense if you could get Seager, Urias and Grandal for Sale and something slightly less for Abreu. Then trade Shark, Robertson and anything else that is able to be moved (Alexei, LaRoche, Beckham, etc.) and get as much as you can. It's intriguing, but this isn't going to happen. Cameron doesn't undervalue our guys -- he had Sale and Abreu in the top 10 in his trade value rankings last year. Sale was his top-ranked pitcher in all of baseball. If anything, he is overvaluing the prospects themselves, or, more accurately, he disagrees with how our board values prospects. I don't agree with that proposal either, but this isn't some kind of Sox-hate thing, no matter how fun that seems to be around here for some reason.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 12:36 PM) Personally, I'd ask for Grandal, Seager and Urias for Sale and Danks. Wouldn't mind getting a quality starting catcher and 2 of the top 5 prospects in all of baseball while freeing up money with Danks gone. If you're moving Sale, you're not going to tie an anchor to him to save money. Without Sale, there's no need to reinvest that $14m next year anyway, and SOMEONE is going to have to soak those innings up.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jun 23, 2015 -> 01:43 PM) From the comment thread on the article: "The cost is high but he’s definitely not untouchable if only due to his contract. If Sale is to earn roughly $50MM over the rest of his contract and puts up $150MM in value, that’s $100MM in value they need to get back. Using a market rate of $8MM/Win, that’s 12.5 WAR they would need in order to move him. Doesn’t seem untouchable to get back several prospects who can be expected to contribute that amount, but they would need to be very good prospects. Even with Javier Baez’s terrible ML line last year, his KATOH projection is still over 5 WAR. Combined with Schwarber and Alcantara, and the players Dave proposed seem perfectly reasonable." What the hell is KATOH? How reliable are prospect projections anyway? What if Schwarber can't cut it at catcher or LF and ends up becoming a DH, thus lowering his value considerably? KATOH is a very new, very raw, and very much NOT consensus way to identify prospect talent. It was developed by some kid who Fangraphs then hired, but even the kid himself will tell you that, at this point, it's an interesting data point to use more than it's a reliable projector.