Doc Edwards Shot

What does "He became a shill" mean?

Yep, there's more to the broadcasting HOF than just how popular or "liked" somebody was. As exemplified by what you've said about his "calls," Ken Harrelson left behind a legacy that most other announcers never will. He had something in common with Harry Caray in that regard. They both had famous sayings and calls that people liked and that stuck in society. That is a good reason for Hawk to be inducted. Fine by me, I liked his homer broadcasting and that he wasn't just another sterile, dime-a-dozen broadcaster that can be found any day of the week.

9 playoff appearances in 116 years... I'm wondering why I'm even spending my precious time being a White Sox fan! LOL

Despite my screen name in this forum, I don't even know who the real Doc Edwards is or the story behind the guy. Do you?

I loved that about Hawk, too. When I was all pissed off or hurting after a tough loss, Hawk sounded like he felt the same way I did. I appreciated that mutual feeling.

Jason Benetti is a good announcer along with Steve Stone, but anyone would admit that there is a lot of color and energy missing with Hawk gone. Love or hate The Hawk, he was one of a kind with a huge personality and presence. The hillbilly one liners, the quotes, the stories, his ability to nickname people with names that actually stick, etc. It's not the same for me now. Unlike a lot of fans, I embraced his being a homer because I always felt that the daily local broadcasts were just for us Sox fans, not the whole country. The announcers that we fans share the bulk of the games with should be "our guys," in my opinion. I can hear a generic, bland, perfectly unbiased national-type broadcaster any day of the week, that's nothing special at all. Those people are a dime a dozen. Even my 7th grade son who doesn't watch much sports on TV (he's too busy actually playing them himself) has noticed the absence of Hawk without me saying anything. While I was watching a game this season and somebody on the Sox homered, he asked where that guy was who yells "YOU CAN PUT IT ON THE BOARD, YEEESSS!!" My son imitated Hawk's voice and did the whole getup. I told him he's (Hawk) been the announcer for decades and is retiring. My son stood there for a minute, reflected, and then walked out of the room declaring that the current announcers are boring. LOL I totally miss Hawk already. When combined with the current state of our team, I'm struggling to get motivated to watch the games.

Things can always be worse. Just ask the Cleveland Browns or Detroit Lions fans. LOL Everyone, including me, who howled for a full rebuild had to be prepared for times like this.

We fans were always good, it's the White Sox and ISFA that aren't. Fowler is suing them.

What a freak injury! I feel sorry for Fowler, but at the same time I'm not sure he has a winnable case. I'm really interested to see the outcome of this lawsuit. The WiFi electrical box is NOT in the field of play, it's immediately on the other side of the padded railing/wall. Therefore, the box is in the fan seating area along with seats, stairs, etc. It's not anything that could reasonably be expected to be hit by a player on the field and therefore shouldn't require padding. The railing has an opening that Fowler's knee apparently went through to hit the box. I think the Sox and the ISFA would win this case if it went the whole way to trial and a judgment. The player technically exited the field of play through the opening in the wall, striking an object that is clearly in the fan seating area. But the case won't go the distance and the Sox/ISFA and their insurance will likely settle out of court and pay Fowler off because that will be cheaper than having the lawsuit run all the way to the end. Fowler and his attorneys know that they can get money even though the lawsuit is questionable. But I'm no lawyer. There probably are all kinds of lawyerly arguments and other legal cases that prove me wrong. What seems straightforward to a regular non-lawyer person may not be so.

I remember when the Sox almost moved to Florida. As a teenager, I was on the edge of my seat with fear and was so relieved that it didn't happen. I couldn't understand the people who argued about taxes and public funding, etc. But now as an adult who pays taxes, if this situation arises again they can just move if they think we taxpayers - ESPECIALLY IN THIS RIPOFF STATE - are going to pay for all of it again. Really, we should pay for none of it and the White Sox ownership should pay for all of it. The government and taxpayers shouldn't be subsidizing special interests like sports stadiums. I'm also wondering why there aren't many other events (concerts, other sports, etc.) held at GRF. Why does almost nothing take place there other than White Sox games? The argument in the 80s for taxpayer funding was that it would serve as more than just a baseball stadium and other things could take place there.

I hope that wasn't the only 3-hit game we'll get out of Davidson for the next few months.

I couldn't answer this question until it actually happened and the Sox won multiple World Series in a matter of years. I'd personally like to find out what my feelings would be if the Sox simply MADE THE PLAYOFFS more than once a decade.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) I honk this thread is ridiculous. As someone said, you're worried about the team's young shortstop, who didn't start playing baseball till he was 17/18 in the first year of a rebuild? I second this notion. People need to dial back on the impatience. Anderson only just turned 24, he's just a kid. If he's able to hit around .250 so far in the big leagues, he's doing pretty well. He is a super athlete with a high ceiling and his defense will get better with time. He needs a few years, which we have since we're rebuilding. If he is still the same two years from now, then I'll join the chorus of people with serious concerns.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 21, 2017 -> 12:05 AM) After his 2 errors tonight I was thinking, "s***! Should have made the bet based on WAR!" Avi is still brutal defensively, that's for sure. But if he keeps hitting like he has this season, I can accept his ham hands.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jun 4, 2017 -> 01:43 PM) Piersall may be best known for running around the bases backwards after hitting his 100th HR of his career. That was before my time. Did he then have to run around the bases the right way? I definitely have never seen anyone run around the bases backwards before. I don't know what the rules say about that.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 4, 2017 -> 06:20 PM) That may be true but what is he teaching? I saw a video where he had the whole team practicing bunting during the Red Sox series. His love of bunting is scary. No objection here. More times than I can count have I wanted to jump out of my skin with anger when the Sox failed in sacrifice bunt attempts and then lost games because of it. I want us to be a team that executes the fundamentals. Bunting is something of a lost art that wins games when it's done correctly.

Any strong, outspoken personality like Hawk is going to be polarizing to some extent. That's inevitable, it goes with the territory. I'm really easygoing with announcers (hell, I still don't mind Dick Stockton), but I like color in my play-by-play men and some uniqueness, so I've always liked Hawk. He is distinctly different from almost all other baseball announcers. No one has a lot of the quotes and idiosyncrasies that he's come up with over the decades, stuff from bygone eras before I was born. He's totally old school, which I find very interesting. I don't mind Jason Benetti and Stoney, but it's doubtful that either will have any quotes to be remembered like Hawk. The years they're in the booth together will be hard to remember after they're done. I'll miss Hawk, he is indeed a legend whether you like him or not. I think more people will miss him once he's gone forever and we have many years of boring announcing with guys unwilling to say even the slightest provocative thing in the booth.

QUOTE (joejoedairy @ May 16, 2017 -> 07:38 AM) I was at all 3 games this weekend and there seemed to be a lot of cubs fans (wearing cubs gear) in attendance. Im sure Jerry is more than willing to take their money. "Dag gam right he is!" Hawk Harrelson

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 5, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) Correct. May 26th is its own game- but it's two games. If it were a day/night doubleheader, then today's game would have been for Game 1. If you want to go to the makeup game in May, you don't get to stay for the regularly scheduled game that day and make a doubleheader out of it for the price of just one game, correct? Didn't they used to do that when your game was cancelled due to weather?

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Apr 5, 2017 -> 07:40 AM) Straight doubleheader on May 26. Anyone with tickets to today's game can exchange their tickets for any tickets of equal or lesser value, they are not automatically valid for the doubleheader on May 26. So you could exchange the tickets for tickets to a future game that isn't necessarily on 5/26? You're not locked into the make up game in May?

QUOTE (Dunt @ Feb 27, 2017 -> 02:17 PM) Dead arm usually happens a couple months into the season though, to have it a couple games in to ST isnt a good omen. He's supposed to be their reliable one too lol. He must have thrown too much in the offseason to be coming down with dead arm at the start of ST. More pitchers need to take a page out of Mark Buehrle's book and stop throwing completely through the winter. That could be why Mark was so durable.

QUOTE (fathom @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) Safe to assume no legal issues for him due to immunity? http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/03/01/whi...-on-way-to-u-s/ Yep, it sounds like he'll be OK as long as he simply tells the truth on the stand. If this happened now, Abreu wouldn't have been able to stay in the U.S. The "Wet Foot, Dry Foot" U.S. government policy of automatically granting asylum to Cubans who manage to set foot on U.S. territory, even without legal travel documents, is now over. Obama killed it off before he left office and Trump isn't going to reverse what Obama did. All Cubans trying to come into the U.S. have to be documented just like any other immigrant.

QUOTE (Elgin Slim @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 03:50 PM) The best of the best Boras clients always go to FA......If you believe in Rodon,you believe he will be an ace, a bonafide #1. If that is the case, he's most definitely going to FA. That is why you trade him. Also, his control window is 1 year more than Quintana IIRC, so if it makes sense that the Sox' contention window does not include Quintana, then it does not include Rodon either. Quintana is signed through 2020, Rodon is under control through 2021 so the window really is not there. IMO Hahn should wait to trade him until he is an established TOR guy, then pounce similar to Sale. OK, thanks. So it's not about any feuds with Boras, it's about the certainty of the player going to FA and being unable to sign them and keep them around. It makes sense. I didn't think about that. I guess I'm not GM material.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jan 11, 2017 -> 06:36 PM) Trayce's back is already going to keep him from beginning ST on time and he missed basically the entire second half of last season due to back issues. To honestly believe at this point he's going to be healthy enough to get 600 PAs next season is pretty out there. Montas throws hard but it doesn't do you any good if you can't stay on the field to throw that hard. And I fixed your last sentence for you too. This pretty much sums it up. Good post. I'll take a 3B with a lower-than-expected BA any day as long as the defense is good, the OBP is adequate, and there's some power in his bat. I hated all the years of having AAAA-type players at 3B. Sox fans complained incessantly and whined about it all the time asking, "When are we going to have a real third baseman?" Such short memories in these message boards...

I voted that Q will be traded to "some other team." I have zero evidence to believe that. It just seems like a lot of trades in the world pop up out of nowhere and lots of hot stove talk is often totally wrong. It's just BS for fan consumption to occupy them and the sports reporters while the real activity is unfolding.