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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 15, 2015 -> 09:02 PM) So much for the QO/compensation argument. Whatever we would have received would have been better for the future than NOTHING or being stuck with one of the worst pitchers in baseball on a $17+ million one year contract. Even if he pitched well, the team doesn't have the horses to compete...he's blocking someone like Montas/Fulmer/Johnson and finally, he's soaking up valuable resources that should be going towards improving the offense. Hard to ask for more of a train wreck. The team's not bad enough to be terrible and receive a high draft pick, but hasn't realistically been in the WC hunt since stumbling after that winning streak and making the decision to keep Shark. Can't believe he would be pitching like this on a playoff contender...it's almost like he's sulking or doesn't care anymore...which is probably the feeling of most Sox fans as well. Exactly my sentiments. Not trading Shark has turned out to be a HUGE failure for the organization and yet another spoiled opportunity moving forward to acquire talent. I'm not even going to give Hahn any remorse, because while no one could have predicted this regression to absolute garbage, he retained Shark either under the guise of competing (which was ridiculous because many of us here knew this team wasn't a playoff contender), or was not satisfied with his trade value. While it wasn't on par with Scott Kazmir, even a step below his value was still worth more than the risk associated with a compensation round draft pick. At the time ofvthe trade deadline he was pitching quite well. All I can hope is they learn from their mistakes. I'd just ONCE like to see them trade someone at peak value. Deal someone like Quintana should all but be a certainty, and if I'm JR/KW whoever else I'm putting very high expectations on him to succeed.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 02:32 PM) Look at how Hunter turned on the 96 mph fastball inside, and then looked like he was sitting on an 89 mph change-up on the outer half. He looked clueless against Quintana yesterday too. Today he's suddenly guessing miraculously what pitch is thrown. It may be something with how he's placing his glove, or some other tell, but If im the White Sox im looking into video of him and trying to see if he's giving away any pitches

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 02:29 PM) Hunter absolutely looks like he knows what's coming There were a few Twins who acted as much.

It just doesn't add up how Johnson and Quintana pitch respectably against Minnesota and Sale implodes. They'e middle of the pack in offense, bot Toronto. I swear watching them it's like they know what's coming

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 13, 2015 -> 01:35 PM) He'd be the Cy Young front runner if he didn't have to face the Twins...dammit. I'm serious when I say that they should never have him face the Twins again. He's always awful against them. I just don't understand it. How can someone with his stuff not mow down their lineup? He has to be tipping something in his delivery. it's actually kind of embarrassing, because an ACE should not be avoiding any team. Expecially a division rival. Someone bettter figure it out

Johnson has good command of his fastball and locatea his changeup well. His breaking ball leaves something to be desired though.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 09:10 PM) Very nice job by Danks- always happy to see that. There are a litany of reasons why this team is where it is, and he's nowhere near the top. He pitches well against KC, i'll applaud him for that.

Even with a six run lead I wouldn't count out KC. They've had a a few hard hit outs the first time around

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) You really think Kaplan has White Sox sources that he is serving? If the team wanted something leaked he is about the last guy I think it would come from. You dish dirt to the dirtiest people. Scott Merkin wouldn't write about it. Why would he make it up?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 08:55 AM) It's not stupid if they valued a top 35 pick higher than the packages being offered though. Dealing him just to deal him doesn't make any sense when there's incentive to keep him. This is where we speculate, because I feel that while we weren't going to receive a top return; judging by what Kazmir received (and figuring Shark would command less) we could have still picked up atleast one teams Top 10 prospect. I'll never believe that they were going to trade Shark in the WC position they were in unless blown away with an offer. This is my issue, because many of us knew the true nature of the team and didn't want the illusion of competing to cloud their judgement. That's why I hope if they ever find thenselves in a similar circumstance they don't hesitate to trade

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2015 -> 08:54 AM) This and the source make me doubt the story though. I don't doubt it. What we have to wonder is, how common is it for a pitcher and pitching coach to dislike each other? I'd guarantee it's not unheard of among baseball circles. There are probably endless combinations of players who hate coaches, players who hate players, etc., that we just never hear of. It was leaked at this moment for a certain reason.

Also I'm of the opinion not to offer that bum anything. No QO for a supplemental draft pick is worth the possible 16 million dollar bed wetting Shark has in store for us. Hahn f***ed up not trading him, there's no rectifying that. And for everyone who thought we could just pass up trading him because the draft pick awaited us.....I hope someone on the Sox learned a lesson. Not only about knowing the team and how a 7-1 stretch didn't change who they were, but about the risk taken holding onto a player for a draft pick. Sure, Shark wasn't going to receive a Price or Cueto return, but I'm damn sure every offer presented sounds better than the current possibility of NOTHING. Makes the Oakland trade look that much worse, doesn't it?

If there relationship was really that contentious, it's yet another stupid reason to have held onto him at the trade deadline. I could see Shark start to lose his patience with Cooper once the death spiral began in August and he realized 20+ million disappeared from his upcoming contract. Cooper, meanwhile, often has an arrogant demeanor to everyone in the media not named Hawk. I'm sure if a player acts disrespectful (in his mind) he wouldn't have any of it and leaked the info out to Kaplan.

QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Sep 3, 2015 -> 02:06 AM) Detroit traded players who had expiring contracts and no compensation picks. We kept Shark, who very well may leave us without compensation. Sure, you'll say we weren't being overwhelmed with offers, the FO thought they were in contention, OR it was bad luck that he wet the bed post deadline; but that's too damn bad. Its their own fault for not trading him, they cannot afford to make ANY mistakes and that is a big one looming.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 10:25 PM) Saladino and Sanchez are both utility Infielders right now. And Thompson will more than likely be a 4th OF. We're just cornering the market on backups!

I wouldn't have a problem if they trotted out that lineup every night. We know Eaton and LaRoche aren't going anywhere, may as well let the younger guys play (and likely fail) with as many ABs as possible against divisional opponents

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 09:36 PM) Nicely done Montas. Velocity as advertised?

Do not throw another fastball to Buxton....for the love of God. He cannot read the slider

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 09:06 PM) Why was Sanchez breaking to 2nd base? Are they on drugs this inning Did he think that was Abreus play? Lol. Petricka putting everything into these pitches

Baseball stupidity here on display

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 08:59 PM) The Sox are just bad. Millone gets rocked usually. He's not a terrible pitcher......but he's also not striking out 7 every start.

Wait but Hawk, rodon had pitched Escobar down the entire series then threw a high fastball.....why didn't he swing like our hitters did!? He readjusted the eye level!!!

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 2, 2015 -> 08:36 PM) Sox have some really stupid hitters Coupled with bad umpiring crew, we're left with 0 runs. He has left up a good number of changeups this game, too.

Every lineup is a spring training one with our offense. Atleast Thompson is starting

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 1, 2015 -> 09:43 PM) Sox need to get this to extras. We're deadly. Whats their record in extras?