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QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 04:44 PM) Hahn's gotten a free pass for a terrible offseason (in terms of results on the field). He needs to win a few of these big trades going forward, as so far he doesn't have a lot to show at the big league level besides Eaton/Avi. Yes, and personally I won't accept the excuse that he's a rental to explain whatever mediocre package we receive. This situation is of his own creation, so he needs to get some future players out of it. Send evaluators to an interested teams Rookie and A level squads and have people do their jobs and locate talent. We've been at the other end of far too many deals ending in a wash, it's time to stop shoulder shrugging and thinking "oh well he's just a rental so all we could get is some minor league filler." I honestly believe the organization has this mindset in trades to always be fair to their partner. Whether its laziness or just bad luck with past deals, im with you; Hahn needs to win big

Also, to answer the inevitable question, no I don't like wasting a possible rotation of Sale/rodon/quintana/fulmer with terrible offensive teams. There are two many holes and you just know they're not going to completely overhaul the lineup (even though they should).

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 19, 2015 -> 04:11 PM) Who can they trade other than Samardzija? Bonifacio, Beckham and a couple of relievers for spare parts. I suppose they could dump Alexei and put Saladino there, but what fans will buy them competing for anything next year with Sanchez/Saladino up the middle, no 3b, Avi and Flowers starting? Likely Samardzija or Quintana would be the only legitimate piece, but for me it represents more than just his return value -- a trade finally recognizes this season for the failure it is and allows us to move on. Give Sanchez, Saladino consistent playing time. Promote Erik Johnson and Montas. Honestly, worrying about the fans and how they'll receive the team is exactly why we've always tried this "building on the fly" nonsense. If we're terrible again, so be it. Let there be 5,000 people in the stands. Hahn will just have to learn from his mistakes, and those of his predecessor, particularly when it concerns the lack of a minor league pipeline. I feel myself and others have been saying this going back to 2003, the White Sox have to drastically improve their minor league system (from top to bottom) to have SUSTAINED success. Look at the teams continually in the playoffs, are they building on the fly from year to year? At this point, the draft is our only legitimate means of otaining star talent. May as well embrace losing (atleast this season) and hope for that Top 3 draft pick!

I'd say this is the defining game for convincing anyone in the front office who believed otherwise that this season is done. You can't sell hope anymore, especially your ace pitcher losing against the division rivals and the offense doing its own updated version of Corpseball. It actually feels like the kind of day to expect a trade or two. Sunday home game, conclusion of a terrible series, why not start now with unloading what we can?

Wow. Terrible AB by Alexi swinging at a face high faceball on a 2-1 count and bases loaded. Fun bad EDIT: It was actually a face high changeup on the replay.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 20, 2015 -> 10:54 AM) Any team that even wants to get us to talk about Sale is going to have to do a lot of things they otherwise wouldn't be willing to do. I believe it starts with having the offensive equivalent of Sale. We're talking someone who is established as a top offensive talent, young, and under control for many years. Here's the list: Stanton, McCutchen, Trout. Which honestly sounds crazy involving MVP players, but that's where I'd start the conversation. If we're going to be shut down (which is inevitable), step down to top prospects, or recently promoted players. Such as: Bryant and Schwarber. If we can't agree with another team on these terms, it's not worth it. Keep Sale and attempt to patchwork assemble a team around him.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jun 17, 2015 -> 05:14 PM) We both had the same idea yesterday. I agree with this. For plans such as those to matetialize, we need another embarrassing loss. I know how people react to such comments, but tonight for example, what is benefited from a win? Changes need to be forced with any team, especially ours; and any start from here on out Danks craps the bed is preferable. Nothing is going to change otherwise

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 08:59 PM) Quite the year for their fans so far. I'm envious of their young talent. Atleast they shouldn't be drafting high again for the foreseeable future

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 08:02 PM) for how many years? Thats decided on a yearly basis. If we're going to fall short of expectations, then we may as well put ourselves in a position to possibly draft a franchise player. You obviously hope for the best from year to tear, but since it's looking likethis isn't our year it's time to look forward. Even if it is "still early" and any other excuse involving our fanbase.

Also figure for all this talk of unloading veterans, it's useless unless we're dealing from a position of strength or dumping salary. We should trade Quintana, but I'm not confident with what they'll receive (judging by past trades) and not entirely sure how the trade market is looking for SP. I'd say having another Top 5 draft pick is worth more to us than anything we'd receive via trade. We've rarely been a team to sell high and reap the bebefits

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jun 15, 2015 -> 07:18 PM) SERIOUS QUESTION FOR EVERYONE At what point do you start rooting for the no hitter? I know that I personally will start rooting for it after the 6th inning (for many reasons). Which I guess is basically after the 5th inning cause our 7, 8, 9 hitter aren't gonna het a hit. I agree, sixth inning when you realize a loss is inevitable it becomes an issue of entertainment and why not have the same pitcher no-hit us again? I feel it also brings all issues concerning our offense to the forefront again, which isn't exactly new but just a reinforcement of this team's mediocrity. Nothing will change as a result, but its fun-bad and atleast worth a chuckle.

I know they'll never do it (perhaps Boston, NYY, NYM or Cubs will), but I'd honestly grab either Aiken or Matuella at our slot. Considering the underwhelming talent available in this draft I'd rather take a chance with an injured pitcher perhaps never succeeding than drafting the next Broadway or McCulloch. Hell, even if they denied our offer we're still picking Top 10 next year with another Top 20 (I would have said Top 10 a few weeks ago but theyll prbably flounder around .500 all year)

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 8, 2015 -> 10:37 PM) God, I hope not. 14-14 would be so nice, and then move on with the season. 10-18, we're f***ed. This is a 75-80 win team, we'll be f***ed by several AL central teams along the way

SSI, B>W.....i feel it has been years since I've talked to you two scalawags I'll have to watch the replay later to fully appreciate his level of suck, I suppose

What exactly is Flowers failing at now? (At work, not able to hear/see)

Hello Soxtalk, I figured someone with more knowledge than I have about air-conditioning could possibly lend their expertise. I'm considering purchasing a raised ranch (similar image below for those of you unfamiliar with the type of house) from an elderly woman through a friend of my family. Original owner, so it's the typical interior you'd expect of an 80 year old woman -- including no central A/C; just one big ass window unit located near the kitchen. My issue is I'd like to install central A/C; however, maybe 10 years down the road I'd probably entertain the idea of making a second floor addition. Here are the options: 1. Don't remove kitchen window unit, place additional window units around house 2. Place a HVAC system in the attic for now, and then in the future when an addition is considered break it down and reinstall in the second floor addition. 3. Install Central A/C with all necessary duct work, then make accommodations later (with a larger A/C unit, additional ducts) to cool the entire house. I'm sure I'm missing an idea or two. If anyone has any ideas I'd appreciate the info. What I'm ultimately trying to do is cool myself off for the meanwhile without having to pay too much in the future when a possible addition is made. Example of a similar raised ranch and what I'd look to do for an addition:

2005 down the stretch when Cleveland began to gain on us I frequently posted this lol:

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 05:02 PM) We have to cross our fingers and pray he doesn't go down to elbow surgery in 2014 or 2015 or we'll all be revisiting this thread and saying what an idiot Hahn was for holding onto him too long when each year going forward (riddled with non-competitive teams and sub-.500 records and apathy) the White Sox ended up blowing the opportunity of a decade to rebuild their franchise and breathe new life back into it. This idea is what frightens me. Sale is exactly the ace-caliber starting pitcher you'd want anchoring your rotation -- but are we in any position to compete in 2014? 2015? If we're holding onto him, Hahn may as well do everything within his power to build the team to compete. It's useless keeping Sale for the next several years and risk depleting his value if Hahn cannot convince himself that we're in no better position to atleast win the division.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 7, 2013 -> 10:23 AM) That is one gross lineup. Yet there is still a belief in the locker room that they're not out of it.....lol

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 30, 2013 -> 03:43 PM) I'd rather they pull a Strasburg and shut down Sale What I feel is we'll hold onto Sale (whether that's wrong or right depends on the trade packages that were available) and in the next season or two his elbow will explode. Then we'll be left with nothing. I'm a proponent of trading him, now. This is where I wish we were the Cubs and didn't have to worry about appeasing a fan base with a marquee player.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 30, 2013 -> 01:05 PM) This kind of stuff always seems to happen when your team sucks. Fans attack other fans. Creating a thread to call out certain people is immature and that is a contribution to the degradation of any forum. First, knowing J4L this is all going exactly to his plan. There's no frustration on his behalf in regards to the team, believe me. He masterfully threw out the bait and sat in the corner twiddling his thumbs awaiting the bites. However, as one of those 10yr veterans of Soxtalk this thread is an example of EXACTLY the time of atmosphere that existed in the "golden age" (definitely from 2003-2004). Reflecting back, I recall Old Roman, BMR, Cluer, Beastly (or WSC), JimH constantly instigating trouble and riling up everyone. There was no message board decor or rules, it was literally the equivalent of a youtube comments section. Also, consider that 10-11 years ago when this site began most of the active members were in the 16-25 age range. I'm sure this same age range is represented across all message boards. Most within this group were either in school or just finishing and had the available free time to regularly post. Now, consider a decade passing; these same people have careers and families draining their lives and free time. I was 18 when I joined here, and having just started college my time was devoted to not only following the White Sox and our minor league system, but those of other teams. Enough to where, when draft time came around I could have probably created my own Top 30 draft board. Now, I'm practically baseball retarded outside the White Sox. With my career and other obligations I'm lucky to post once a week. This issue isn't on the Soxtalk moderators, really. Through the years an unexpected incident would arise that would ban a few people, and as a result new rules would form. It's the natural progression of any site. It probably helped this place survive so long. I've always felt, the chat room is where the fun is. I remember numerous nights of past years where several of us would be up long after the end of a game. Unfortunately, I haven't been around to promote it and I don't believe others have had the motivation, either. Personally, I'm content with Soxtalk. I still check this board every day even if I don't post, and I'm sure other old-timers do the same. There's always a new influx of posters to replace those that have since stopped contributing. Without it, there'd just be Fathom and ss2k5 talking to themselves. But as always, f*** WSI. That sentiment hasn't changed over time.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 07:05 PM) Different baseball era too. Everything has dropped since steroids were taken out to a large extent. Regardless if this was the dead ball, juice ball, or corpseball era, he's a terrible player. I agree with anyone who states he's hardly the problem as the team collectively is garbage, but I believe we're all capable of spreading our hatred of this offense around to everyone evenly.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jun 14, 2013 -> 10:38 PM) So you're saying we're not good? Yeah, no s***. High five. Get used to these discussions. I know these threads upset people, perhaps we'll have a "We just beat the Astros thread" tomorrow to even out the negativity (Goes for the low five)

Also, it was a pleasure watching another stellar minor league product in Troncoso throw junk up there.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 11, 2013 -> 10:34 PM) We need Crain fresh for the Yankees playoff run. His value needs to be optimized, since winning games are no longer a priority. If that means putting him in for one out against a team's #9 hitter let it be.