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Crickets. Classic. What a fuckin' troll. Finally doing what I should have done when he returned a couple weeks ago.....IGNORE. Peace, Cubs fan.

So you want to take the bet I laid out or not? If you're so confident, its easy money.

The White Sox were tanking last year you dipshit. So I take it you don't want to take the bet?

I said I hope they'd explore signing Springer. I didn't say I believe they'd sign Springer. Reading comprehension is important. Want to put some money where your mouth is? If Mazara accumulates under 1.0 fWAR in 2020, he will not be on the 2021 roster. If he is under 1 fWAR in 2020 and he is on the OD 2021 roster, you win. If he accumulates less than 1 fWAR and is NOT on the OD 2021 roster, I win.

JFC. You are so gd obtuse. The guy is arb eligible. He can be non-tendered for $0 after next season. The only chance Mazara is on the 2021 roster is if he has a great 2020. Look at like a 1 year deal with a team option. IT IS NOT A TWO YEAR DEAL. I know you're just trolling me, but gd, you're annoying.

I'd hammer the over on 5/$110, and I don't think Joc is a fair comp for Springer at all. But yes, I would love Springer on the Sox and I think he is the perfect fit. Thousands of times better than Ozuna and Castellanos, and the Sox (seemingly) unwilling to go after those guys unless its cheap gives me hope that they'll seriously explore Springer next offseason.

Sounds about right. I did the math a few weeks ago, but didn't care to do it again. Remember it being May 20 something tho.

I'd be very surprised if the Twins just put Graterol in their OD starting rotation. He's going to pitch less major league innings than Michael Kopech in 2020! He's an option I guess, but if they'd probably have to shut him down middle of the summer. They're not going from 60 IP to 175+ in one season with their top pitching prospect.

Not really. Odoroizzi and Berrios. Pineda suspended for 40 games. Graterol coming off a 61 inning season, never thrown more than 102 innings in a season. They're arguably in a worse spot than the Sox. If you consider the fact that they're actually in the middle of their contention window, and that they're best assets are already getting expensive or nearing FA, there is quite a bit more pressure on them to improve their staff than the Sox.

I think its closer to mid May.

Jon Rauch never had a season over 1.7 fWAR...next highest was 0.9. Lucas just had a season of 5.1 fWAR. So try again.

Lol, there is a zero percent chance the Sox are done in FA and I put the chances at them signing either Castellanos or Ozuna as under 5%.

What happened in 1998-2001 is completely irrelevant to now. I was between 8-11 years old when this occurred, and while I was a huge Sox fan, I don't remember exactly how touted as prospects these guys were and don't really care to look back as its completely irrelevant. That being said, Gioltio was at a time the best prospect in baseball. Kopech and Cease both were as recently as 6 months ago both top 5ish SP prospects in the game. Lopez was also a big time prospect. Plus, all of these guys have already pitched in the big leagues, some for multiple years. This isn't projecting an 18 year old kid in A ball. Projecting 40-50% flop rate on these guys is insanely pessimistic.

I mean....who are the 4 out of 5? Giolito is already at worst an above average MLB SP. Lopez is already at worst an average or slightly below average MLB SP. Cease is already in the big leagues, though it wasn't pretty overall but showed flashes. Kopech is at worst going to be an average SP. Obviously we need more out of those guys than being average...but its not like we're projecting 5 SP prospects that are years away from the big leagues to make it. Pretty much all of these guys already have made it - its just a question of if they develop into above average pitchers. You may be looking at 40-60% success rate on guys that are years away, but I think we can project a little higher than that considering where these guys are in their development. Could one of Cease or Kopech completely flop? Yah, I suppose. But I don't see it as very likely unless they have career ending injury situations.

Yah, specifically Kopech and Cease. We really need to find a legit #1 or #2 out those guys, and the other needs to be a solid mid rotation piece. While Lopez popping would be phenomenal, I don't hate just penciling him into the 5 spot for the next 4 seasons. Frankly anything we get out of Dunning and Stiever at the MLB level will be gravy, but Dunning should definitely be a rotation option by 2021 if he can stay healthy.

They released him after he injured his shoulder.

Not sure if sarcasm or not, but a fan made it as a joke.

Assuming worst case scenario where we basically only add 2 stop gap SP on 1 year deals this offseason - let's just say Alex Wood and Tajuan Walker for sake of discussion. The depth chart for 2021 looks as follows: Catcher: Grandal 3B: Moncada SS: Anderson 2B: Madrigal 1B: Vaughn (going to assume he's ready by early 2021 at the latest) LF: Eloy CF: Robert RF: Mazara DH: Abreu SP: Gioltio, Kopech, Cease, Lopez.............Dunning, Steiver, Lambert Let's just assume Mazara is the guy he's always been in 2020 - so Sox non-tender him after 2020. Realistically, we'll only be looking for a RF and 1 SP. Plenty of options. Mookie is long shot, but at least he's there. Then there is Springer who would be an awesome fit. Brantley would be solid, though he's getting old. Joc and Peralta would be OK. SP options aren't great, but its not like we need 3 of them. I don't think things are quite as grim as some want to make them out to be.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/03/white-sox-to-sign-austin-jackson.html

Kuechel is FARRRRRRR more likely than Castellanos.

Technically, this is false. Though the name that did sign isn't exciting.

Paying Castellanos $90M or whatever he is going to get to be the weak side platoon partner in RF isn't going to happen. If he falls into the 3/$45M category....maybe it starts to make sense. But that isn't going to happen.

This is a really good and fair post. Ultimately it’s still mid December, so we need to see how the roster shakes out before we know what the backup plan was, or if they truly had none.

I think he beats that.

Lol the dude is arb eligible in 2021. It’s not a fucking commitment. This isn’t hard to understand. I love how you use Mazara’s 2 years of control as a negative both in terms of not wanting him for 2 years (while ignoring he’s arb eligible) and also a negative in that if he blossoms he’s gone after 2 years. It’s hilarious. Mazara won’t be on the Sox in 2021 unless he has a great 2020. He will be non tendered for a grand total of $0 USD. If he is on the Sox in 2021, it’s because he played great and they’re happy to pay him the $9M or whatever he’ll get in his final year of arb. If he blows up to the point the Sox are disappointed he becomes a FA after 2021, that is a good thing not a bad thing! Your trolling knows no bounds.