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Right. But they did and that can’t just be ignored.

One can hope

Got to agree here. Surprising so many Sox fans are willing to throw all their chips in the pot the very first time they get the chance.

Right - its not like I am going to be livid if it happens. Sox would on paper look super interesting in 2020. It would be fun! But it would also be super short sighted, and put a huge lack of focus on defense which we desperately need to improve.

If I had to pick, I would take EE over Castellanos for who has the highers 2020 wRC. That is enough for me to say PASS! Give me the guy that doesn't clog shit up long term. And this is coming from someone that isn't even totally in love with the EE idea.

I care far less about the money than I do about committing to terrible defense, and punting on a top 25 prospect widely considering to be an amazing bat just so we can keep 2 DHs in the field, and because people are impatient. I would be really shocked to see the Sox do this - unless, again, his market has totally cratered.

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. Agreed. I'd be a little surprised if he got $10M in arb1 unless he goes bonkers in 2020, but I don't think he'll be that far off from that number either.

This. Castellanos is a guy in no more than 18 months we'll want to be upgrading from. And he's bad defensively. Just say no.

Couple things. 1. I don't bank on anything. I do think Betts is a pipedream, but I also think he is like...the perfect fit....and if there is anyone the White Sox should shell out a mega contract offer for it, it should be him. Will they get him? Most likely not, but I wouldn't remove all doubt right now. Springer would be a pretty great consolation prize anyway. 2. I do not and will not factor Mazara into any plans after 2020. He is a 1 year roll of the dice. If he blossoms, he'll be here in 2021, but I am not counting on it, and neither should you. 3. Signing Castellanos absolutely blocks Vaughn. If not, the Sox are going to have the worst OF defense in the league with Eloy and Castellanos, even if they have an elite defender in Robert in between. We need to play better defense moving forward! Castellanos can fake RF for a year or so, but by 2021 he should be the full time DH, And so should Abreu. 4. If his market has cratered to the point to where like a 3 year $40-45M deal is possible, id consider it. But definitely would want nothing to do with a NTC, and I would be trading Castellanos most likely within 18 months. But I doubt his market has cratered that much. Some of you guys just want to push all the chips in right away. Be patient. Castellanos would seriously handcuff this team positionally. Try to take the long view. Not to mention, EE will be cheaper, be a 1 year commitment, and is probably a better bat anyway.

In arb1?

Not really. So we punt Vaughn and commit to shitty defense for the term of Castellanos contract (likely at least 3 years) just to improve our DH spot? Just sign EE to a 1/$10M deal. Castellanos would make 2020 super fun - I can't deny that - but it such a bad long term play. Keep RF open for a FA splash in year. Abreu to DH. Vaughn to 1B.

Right, it made a little sense before Abreu and Mazara. Now it makes no sense at all.

Woof. Thought we dodged this bullet. It sounds OK for 2020, but long term just such a bad fit.

Too bad Sousa isn't good defensively, or he'd a nice platoon fit.

Can you provide a link for this please?

I prefer Wheeler to Ryu, and really none of this matters at this point. You can pick whatever timeframe to fit your argument, but the most fair timeframe is their entire career, and they've pitched the same amount. I do agree that Ryu is a bigger injury risk going forward which is really all that matters.

Probably but the Twins are going to take a major step back. When 60% of your rotation the first 25% of the season is Lewis Thorpe, Randy Dobnak and Devin Smeltzer, you're going to lose a lot of games. Best case scenario for the Sox is that the Twins are forced to trade away major future talent in Royce Lewis and/or Kirilloff for SP because they've left themselves no other options. Or maybe its just filling in their rotation with guys like Nova and Smyly. Either way, their rotation is pretty gross.

Well, they've been in the league the same number of years and have pitched virtually the exact same number of innings, sooooo..... I get that Wheeler had 1 terrible injury that knocked him out for a long time and Ryu several smaller injuries. But at the end of the day, they have in fact pitched the same amount over the same amount of time.

Its nice to have depth. I prefer Collins in AAA as opposed to trading McCann for whatever they can get and using Collins as a strict backup that only plays 5x a month. That doesn't do him much good either.

I believe they both had OPS+ of 110 against LHP. I just don't think it makes much sense to pencil Engel in as Mazara's platoon mate when Leury is on the roster. Hopefully they sign a lefty masher and neither are the regular platoon mate, though.

Certainly not the way I read it, but if that is what it is, then yes that we may as well assume 4/$74.

Because Leury hits lefties better than Engel. Engel sucks man. Any situation where Engel projects to get more than spot starts and late defensive replacement work is a situation I cannot get behind at this point.

Lol he could make 34 starts in 2020 and 2021 and then make 25 in 2022 and not hit 160 innings, and you’d call the contract terrible? 160 innings requires 27 starts of at least 6 innings....it’s not like that couldn’t be easily controlled in 2022 if the Sox don’t want 2023 vesting.

How to you figure that throwing 160 innings in 21 and 22 is a given? If he spends anytime whatsoever on the DL in those seasons, it would get close. He could easily make 25 or so starts in 2022 and still not hit it. The Sox control it, and honestly, they project to have plenty of other rotation options by 2022.

Except it’s 3/55.5 not 4/72.