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I mean, I agree any three year deal is barf. But tacking on 2 years and $12M total to the QO isn’t bad. Reduces his 2020 pay from $17.8 to $10M and there is another $8M to spend on other upgrades. But I agree. 2/$25M would be my offer, but the Levine rumor is 3 years, though anything from him should be taken with a giant salt shaker.

I thought it was 3B.

I mean I agree Sox shouldn't be offering 3/$35M, and that Jose should probably take that if on the table (doubt it is), but I don't think its insane to think Jose could beat a 2 year $17.8M deal next offseason without a QO attached. He definitely isn't going to be on a minor league deal is 2022 unless he absolutely falls off a cliff. I also think there is a point in which the Sox would prefer a multi year deal as compared to the QO. 2/$25M is better than 1/$17.8M. 3/$30M is probably also better than 1/$17.8M.

I prefer we don't use trade assets on acquiring SP when there is plenty on the FA market that only cost money.

I mean, I think its worth mulling over in Jose's case, and $35M should be the max. Also note that no other QO recipient has actually officially rejected yet, either. At 3/$35M, Jose is effective agreeing to a 2 year extension at $17.2M ($8.6M per in 21 and 22) in addition to the $17.8M QO. I don't think its outrageous for him to think he can beat $8.6M AAV in 21 and 22. If the offer is closer to 3/$30M, then its 2 years $6M per....even more reason for Jose to "mull it over".

Correct

Odorizzi isn't getting 4/$80M with a pick attached. In fact, he'd have a decent chance to get Keuchel'd IMO. I think taking the QO is absolutely the right thing to do in this case.

He is absolutely allowed to talk to other teams during the period.

Hopefully the 3 year deal is like 3/$35M tops.

Honest question: is there an offseason you would applaud the Sox that doesn't include signing Cole?

Florial will 10000000% be protected before the R5 draft.

I said Moncada would be less valuable as an everyday OF as opposed to an IF. I suppose the scenario you describe above is theoretically doable, but I just highly doubt that happens in actuality over the course of the balance of Moncadas control. It’s a pointless discussion. Moncada is not an outfielder.

Yah, disagree but no point in getting into a pointless arguement with you.

If (big if, because its not going to happen) the Sox move Moncada to RF full time because they signed Rendon, by the time FA rolls around, he isn't going to be an option at 3B any longer, because he will have played OF full time for a half decade. I would think Moncada has more value as an infielder than an outfielder, but again, this is all moot because the Sox aren't moving Moncada to the OF, even if he COULD do it.

I would think they'd want one of Cease, Madrigal or Vaughn, to start. Which is why it should be a HARD PASS.

In other words those of you who think Mookie Betts is a legitimate option - stop.

I would be happy, assuming EE is a 1 year deal and Keuchel is a 2 year deal. Would be tad disappointed Keuchel is the main SP add, but I could live with it on a 2/$30M type deal. I imagine there would be another 1 year SP in there as well, but for sake of argument, I would assume it wouldn't be an overly interesting name.

The White Sox trading for a guy with 1 year of control that will require giving up any notable pieces of the MLB club or prospects is beyond idiotic. Trading a spare prospect part of two for Joc Pederson is one thing. Trading Madrigal +++++ for Betts is quite another.

Shrug. An infield of Moncada/TA/Madrigal is pretty cool too.

If the Sox were going to offer him a 2+ year deal that was acceptable to Abreu, they would have already offered it and he would have resigned. There is mutual interest on both sides. The mere fact that the Sox got to the point to where they extended the QO proves that there is a significant gap between Abreu's wants and what the Sox are offering. So while I don't necessarily disagree that he'll be back on 2 year deal is the $30M range, if that deal is on the table, clearly Abreu sees it as unacceptable at this juncture. Furthermore, I don't see the Sox suddenly increasing their offer substantially at this point - they now have all the leverage.

Sox continue to play this situation beautifully. Patience is the key here. Eventually Abreu will be back, and if he is dumb enough (mean that in the nicest way possible) to reject the QO, it will be at an AAV significantly less than the $17.8M he is guaranteed for 2020.

Has anyone been able to find a full recording of Hahn's presser? I can only find snippets. It was supposedly 45 mins long...would love to hear the whole thing.

Age comment is a little off base, but the rest of the points are spot on.

It’s so dumb that these full interviews are never available. Makes zero sense to me.

Right. I want pretty much nothing to do with Ozuna unless his market collapses.