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Yah, its less than ideal. But most lefties don't hit lefties well, and Leury can play some RF against lefties. He hits lefties very well.

Also only for 1 season, whereas you're likely committing to at least 4 years with Castellanos. So now you either have a poor OF defense for the next 4 years, or you have an expensive DH with a slightly over league average bat.

Yah, its pretty simple. One multi-year SP, one backend guy on 1 year deal. Which is why the one multi-year SP needs to be Wheeler or Ryu and not Keuchel or Hamels. Sox don't need to spend the money necessary to sign 2 SP to longer term deals. Allocate elsewhere.

Very predictable content.

Will Smith should be in there too. So 8 reject, 2 accept. About as I expected.

The Twins wanted Odorizzi back. 4 of their 5 SP were free agents. Now they have Berrios, Odorizzi and Graterol, though Graterol isn't going to be able to be in the rotation the full year. They still need at least 2 more SP.

Its unnecessary though. I am not going to worry about it until we get a real answer though.

Odorizzi accepts QO. Will Smith signs with Braves - 3 years $40m (so he declines)

Effectively, would I sign a 36 year old Grienke to a 2 year $70M deal in this market? Probably not. I'd rather bet a slightly more money for double the years on Wheeler.

Insert Boston media comment.

Are you referring to Castellanos? You're also ignoring the fact that Jose basically has 1/$17.8M in hand. That obviously changes the calculus for him. He'd be a moron to turn down 1/$17.8M for anything under $2/25M, IMO.

Your take on this is a bit extreme. Jose is a lifetime .293/.349/.513 hitter coming off a .284/.330/.503 season and lead the AL in RBIs. While DH/1B types aren't getting paid like they used to, Jose Abreu will be in the big leagues for several more seasons barring a dramatic drop off. The chances of him becoming a milb contract guy a year from now are pretty small. If I were Jose, I wouldn't accept anything under 2/$30M. Which clearly he hasn't, which is why we are where we are.

I mean, I agree any three year deal is barf. But tacking on 2 years and $12M total to the QO isn’t bad. Reduces his 2020 pay from $17.8 to $10M and there is another $8M to spend on other upgrades. But I agree. 2/$25M would be my offer, but the Levine rumor is 3 years, though anything from him should be taken with a giant salt shaker.

I thought it was 3B.

I mean I agree Sox shouldn't be offering 3/$35M, and that Jose should probably take that if on the table (doubt it is), but I don't think its insane to think Jose could beat a 2 year $17.8M deal next offseason without a QO attached. He definitely isn't going to be on a minor league deal is 2022 unless he absolutely falls off a cliff. I also think there is a point in which the Sox would prefer a multi year deal as compared to the QO. 2/$25M is better than 1/$17.8M. 3/$30M is probably also better than 1/$17.8M.

I prefer we don't use trade assets on acquiring SP when there is plenty on the FA market that only cost money.

I mean, I think its worth mulling over in Jose's case, and $35M should be the max. Also note that no other QO recipient has actually officially rejected yet, either. At 3/$35M, Jose is effective agreeing to a 2 year extension at $17.2M ($8.6M per in 21 and 22) in addition to the $17.8M QO. I don't think its outrageous for him to think he can beat $8.6M AAV in 21 and 22. If the offer is closer to 3/$30M, then its 2 years $6M per....even more reason for Jose to "mull it over".

Correct

Odorizzi isn't getting 4/$80M with a pick attached. In fact, he'd have a decent chance to get Keuchel'd IMO. I think taking the QO is absolutely the right thing to do in this case.

He is absolutely allowed to talk to other teams during the period.

Hopefully the 3 year deal is like 3/$35M tops.

Honest question: is there an offseason you would applaud the Sox that doesn't include signing Cole?

Florial will 10000000% be protected before the R5 draft.

I said Moncada would be less valuable as an everyday OF as opposed to an IF. I suppose the scenario you describe above is theoretically doable, but I just highly doubt that happens in actuality over the course of the balance of Moncadas control. It’s a pointless discussion. Moncada is not an outfielder.

Yah, disagree but no point in getting into a pointless arguement with you.