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Yah, its pretty simple. One multi-year SP, one backend guy on 1 year deal. Which is why the one multi-year SP needs to be Wheeler or Ryu and not Keuchel or Hamels. Sox don't need to spend the money necessary to sign 2 SP to longer term deals. Allocate elsewhere.

Very predictable content.

Will Smith should be in there too. So 8 reject, 2 accept. About as I expected.

The Twins wanted Odorizzi back. 4 of their 5 SP were free agents. Now they have Berrios, Odorizzi and Graterol, though Graterol isn't going to be able to be in the rotation the full year. They still need at least 2 more SP.

Its unnecessary though. I am not going to worry about it until we get a real answer though.

Odorizzi accepts QO. Will Smith signs with Braves - 3 years $40m (so he declines)

Effectively, would I sign a 36 year old Grienke to a 2 year $70M deal in this market? Probably not. I'd rather bet a slightly more money for double the years on Wheeler.

Insert Boston media comment.

Are you referring to Castellanos? You're also ignoring the fact that Jose basically has 1/$17.8M in hand. That obviously changes the calculus for him. He'd be a moron to turn down 1/$17.8M for anything under $2/25M, IMO.

Your take on this is a bit extreme. Jose is a lifetime .293/.349/.513 hitter coming off a .284/.330/.503 season and lead the AL in RBIs. While DH/1B types aren't getting paid like they used to, Jose Abreu will be in the big leagues for several more seasons barring a dramatic drop off. The chances of him becoming a milb contract guy a year from now are pretty small. If I were Jose, I wouldn't accept anything under 2/$30M. Which clearly he hasn't, which is why we are where we are.

I mean, I agree any three year deal is barf. But tacking on 2 years and $12M total to the QO isn’t bad. Reduces his 2020 pay from $17.8 to $10M and there is another $8M to spend on other upgrades. But I agree. 2/$25M would be my offer, but the Levine rumor is 3 years, though anything from him should be taken with a giant salt shaker.

I thought it was 3B.

I mean I agree Sox shouldn't be offering 3/$35M, and that Jose should probably take that if on the table (doubt it is), but I don't think its insane to think Jose could beat a 2 year $17.8M deal next offseason without a QO attached. He definitely isn't going to be on a minor league deal is 2022 unless he absolutely falls off a cliff. I also think there is a point in which the Sox would prefer a multi year deal as compared to the QO. 2/$25M is better than 1/$17.8M. 3/$30M is probably also better than 1/$17.8M.

I prefer we don't use trade assets on acquiring SP when there is plenty on the FA market that only cost money.

I mean, I think its worth mulling over in Jose's case, and $35M should be the max. Also note that no other QO recipient has actually officially rejected yet, either. At 3/$35M, Jose is effective agreeing to a 2 year extension at $17.2M ($8.6M per in 21 and 22) in addition to the $17.8M QO. I don't think its outrageous for him to think he can beat $8.6M AAV in 21 and 22. If the offer is closer to 3/$30M, then its 2 years $6M per....even more reason for Jose to "mull it over".

Correct

Odorizzi isn't getting 4/$80M with a pick attached. In fact, he'd have a decent chance to get Keuchel'd IMO. I think taking the QO is absolutely the right thing to do in this case.

He is absolutely allowed to talk to other teams during the period.

Hopefully the 3 year deal is like 3/$35M tops.

Honest question: is there an offseason you would applaud the Sox that doesn't include signing Cole?

Florial will 10000000% be protected before the R5 draft.

I said Moncada would be less valuable as an everyday OF as opposed to an IF. I suppose the scenario you describe above is theoretically doable, but I just highly doubt that happens in actuality over the course of the balance of Moncadas control. It’s a pointless discussion. Moncada is not an outfielder.

Yah, disagree but no point in getting into a pointless arguement with you.

If (big if, because its not going to happen) the Sox move Moncada to RF full time because they signed Rendon, by the time FA rolls around, he isn't going to be an option at 3B any longer, because he will have played OF full time for a half decade. I would think Moncada has more value as an infielder than an outfielder, but again, this is all moot because the Sox aren't moving Moncada to the OF, even if he COULD do it.

I would think they'd want one of Cease, Madrigal or Vaughn, to start. Which is why it should be a HARD PASS.