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I didn't say that is what I think would happen. I said that would be best case scenario. Jose is high as a kite if he rejects the QO.

Yah, I mean 99% of Sox fans are blindly pessimistic. The Sox have frankly earned it. But there are a whole bunch of obvious reasons and signs that things are changing. Feel free to ignore them if you want. The Sox are going to be very active this offseason.

Yah, I don't really agree. But continue to feel like the world is stacked against you, if that is your thing. The Sox clearly are not in the top tier of desirability, but after the 5-6 teams that are there, they're no less desirable than the rest of the bunch.

I think Dunning/Steiver + Walker + prospect in 20-30 range maybe get you Nimmo. I don't think it gets you Conforto. But some others here think that doesn't get you close to Nimmo, so its hard to tell.

There is frankly no basis for this take other than pure pessimism. While I don't expect the Sox to sign Cole, Rendon or Strasburg, there are plenty of FAs that make varying degrees of sense. Sure, there will be competition for their services. But there are few teams better positioned to add FA than the Sox. Rick Hahn also likes to make trades. I find it very unlikely we go this entire offseason without adding a everyday player or rotation member via trade.

All hope is lost. Looks like Sox should just fold the organization.

I don't think that is what happened here. I doubt the Sox think he'll decline. I think the Sox have probably been offering Jose a 2 year deal between $25-30M. He wants more $ and years. It got down to QO day, and they said OK Jose, we'd love to keep you but it has to be at a price that makes sense, so if you're unwilling to take this deal right now, we'll give you the QO offer then, feel free to test the market. If it doesn't work out, we'll be here for you. The Sox know its very unlikely a team is going to give him a multi-year deal and give up a pick, at least not until like March. They now have all the leverage in the world. I assume Jose's agent will tell him he has to take the QO, or he'll sign the 2 year/$25-30M deal the Sox have been offering in the next 10 days. I think from the Sox fan perspective, best case scenario is that he does in fact reject the QO. Because the likelihood of the Sox getting him on a 1 year $10-12M deal just went up exponentially in that scenario, though obviously we'd have to play the long game there and go through a large portion of the offseason without a DH or 1B.

Yah. He pretty much has to take it. I don't even think they're interested in him long term, but they need to fill 3.5 rotation spots for next season and he solves 1 of them. Let him pitch on a 1 year deal, then he goes into the market next year without the QO. Frankly it is a win-win for both sides based on the circumstances. Definitely more risk for him than the Twins, but Odorizzi is a guy that could get Kuechel'd if he rejects the QO, or find himself signing a 2 year deal with an overall value just slightly higher than the $17.8M he could get in 2020.

The defensive ceilings aren't even remotely close. I see what you're saying, but I have lived in MN my entire life outside of 4 years in college and watch a lot of the Twins when the Sox aren't playing. I know more about the Twins than most Twins fans. I assure you Polanco will not be their SS long-term, and while I cannot guarantee you they'll sign Didi, I can tell you that they will try. Just like I said Odorizzi would get the QO offer a week ago when most thought he wouldn't.

I just explained it above. Polonco is a terrible SS. He won't be there longterm.

This post reflects a lack of understanding of the overall situation. It is a great play for the Sox, and it proves they aren't willing to make an emotional decision and overpay Abreu on a multi-year deal. Clearly there is a divide between what the Sox are offering and what Jose wants, or this would not have happened.

Don't really see the fit. We need a DH/1B, not a 3B. Don't pay for an elite 3B an then throw him at DH when you can get a solid DH bat pretty cheap.

Polonco is a terrible SS. Move him to 3B. Didi to SS. Finally move Sano to 1B fulltime where he belongs. Arraez/Gonzalez share 2B and of OF duties. Cron will likely be non-tendered. It makes a ton of sense for them, and I know they're very interested in him. Odorizzi is going to take the QO. But yah, they have some work to do on that rotation.

This is probably best case scenario. Honestly, probably could go cheaper on the 2nd SP. Someone like Wood, Tehran, Rich Hill, Smyly. Other RF trade options could work as well. But this or a variation of this is pretty close to the best we can realistically expect.

Didi would be a pretty great fit for the Twins.

Huh? Didi is going to get A lot more than $7M AAV.

FG projected 2/$32 for Ryu. If the bidding is really that low, he would be a fantastic fit.

All the righties!!!

You want an everyday lineup with 1 left handed hitter? That is never going to happen.

Sox could trade him before non tender deadline. Or tender him a contract and trade him after. Problem is, at his projected arb price, he has no trade value.

I’d still be surprised if RF is not solved via trade.

Huh? If anyone offered him 3/$45M obviously he’s take it. This deal and the fact that he hasn’t already signed as extension makes it pretty clear Sox have no interest in 3/$45M, and that is a good thing.

And like Ozuna, If his market craters, it becomes way more attractive. You can make bad fits work for a year or two, but as the commitment gets longer it’s just really complicates things. Thankfully this Abreu news at least makes the roster more flexible moving in 21-22 and beyond.

Gahhhh...Castellanos is just such a poor fit. He's pretty underwhelming as a DH, and he's so poor in the field that he needs to be a DH. I guess if they go out and acquire a really nice left handed RF via trade and Abreu accepts the QO, we sign Wheeler, I could get behind Castellanos as the DH. But man, just seems like a lot of other stuff needs to go right for it to be even a decent fit for this roster.

Nick Castellanos and Eloy Jimenez would create the worst defensive OF in the game. By quite a bit. I really hope the Sox aren't that dumb.