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I guess the bigger question I would have for you is what is your alternative options? You said you don't want to go into next year with inhouse options in RF. I agree with that. We really need a LH RF and that can play at least average defense. That really only leaves us with Kole Calhoun in RF assuming the Angels buy him out, which they likely will. He gets a giant MEH from me. He is fine with me if we add multiple more notable FAs, but he's still far from exciting and provides virtually no upside, albeit an upgrade over the trash we've thrown out there this season. Dickerson is interesting as a bat, but he's not a RF, and he's not good in LF either. There are just so few options that trading some tertiary prospects for a guy that can plug a corner OF spot for a few seasons that also solves a few of the other team weaknesses makes sense to me. Whether that guy is Brandon Nimmo, or Nomar Mazara, or Ramiel Tapia, or David Dahl, or Gregory Polonco depends on what those teams are asking in return.

Yah, I am not trading Reylo for him either. Meh. I am not losing much sleep over any of the three I mentioned. Rutherford may still have enough prospect notability to have some name recognition, but that may very well be gone soon. Hansen is an trainwreck and has been for some time now. Both Rutherford and Hansen need to be added to the 40 man in December and while we have a lot of fat to trim, we have a lot to add, I suspect the Sox will be adding at least 5 MLB players to the 40 man this offseason. I don't think trading from some excess, especially guys that need protection is all that bad of an idea, but I get what you're saying. We have money to spend but there isn't really a fit on the FA market that makes a ton sense for RF (whether its defense, handedness, commitment, etc.) and that is the one position where I think a trade makes sense. I am definitely not making a similar trade for a SP or a DH/1B when there are several available on the FA market for just money. Also don't think using our financial flexibility to take on a bad contract is a very good use of resources.

It wasn't really a "take"...it was just an comparison. Nimmo didn't debut until late June 2016 and spent no time on the DL that season. He's missed parts of 2 seasons with injuries, not three. Look, I am not proposing to trade any the top 5 prospects or major pieces of the MLB club. But I would definitely trade a package of players outside of the top 5 for him. Something like Rutherford, Pilkington and Hansen, or something comparable. Maybe that gets you there, maybe it doesn't...but definitely worth exploring.

Nimmo has struggled with injuries, but his career OPS is .822 in over 1,000 plate appearances. FIWW - that is higher than Manny Machado's career OPS. The guy is really good, he's a good defender and left handed stick. The only reason I would imagine he'd potentially be attainable is his injury history the fact that the Mets are already lefty heavy and have a crowded OF mix. Nimmo is legitimately exactly what the Sox need in RF.

I love how (most) everyone is now on the Nimmo train. He really is a great fit.

Would you guys be happy with this offseason? -Resign Abreu 2 years - $30M -Sign Castellanos 4 years - $60M -Sign Kole Calhoun 1 year - $10M -Sign Zack Wheeler 4 years - $70M -Sign Alex Wood 1 year - $8M -Sign Chris Martin (RP) 2 years $12M Payroll would be right about ~$120M. Lineup by May 1: Robert CF, Moncada 3B, Abreu 1B/DH, Eloy LF, Castellanos 1B/DH, Calhoun RF, Anderson SS, McCann C, Madrigal 2B BN: Leury, Yolmer/Mendick, Collins It wouldn't be my first choice (give me Grandal over Castellanos and I'd like it alot more), but I certainly wouldn't be mad about it. Pretty righty heavy, but going to be tough to solve that honestly.

Adolfo is going to be a legit major league outfielder. Whether that is in 2020 or 2023 - not sure. Assuming Sox get that option year back as Hahn mentioned, they have until Opening Day 2022 to add him to the 25 man roster.

Makes sense. Guess this particular scenario just doesn't happen that often.

Yah, I'd definitely prefer Mazara to the FA options honestly.

You sure? Boston can offer him a QO if he opts out of his contract?

I'd be good with that. Do think we need 2 SP - fine with one being backend type.

Calhoun is fine on a 1 year deal as like the 5th most significant addition. If its him and Abreu, we're in for another losing season.

Yah....tweets and DMs are in completely different parts of the App. It would be tough to tweet what was supposed to a DM on accident - especiialy as someone who uses Twitter regularly like Gregor. That being said...yah. Not exactly enlightening info. I suppose Calhoun would fit that description if his option isn't picked up. But gross. Dickerson I guess...but he isn't really a natural RF. Trade route makes much more sense and the "it'll also be a FA, most likely" isn't the most definitive comment.

I don't understand how one tweets what was supposed to be a DM.

Abreu, by quite a bit. I like Martinez, but I just really don't think he's a great long term fit unless the Sox aren't nearly as serious about keeping Abreu as they've led on, or if for some reason they already know they plan to trade Vaughn a couple months after drafting him....which seems unlikely. Or the Sox think they can stick Martinez in RF. Which would be an awful idea. I really hope they aren't that stupid.

They want a metric shit ton for him. Which is why he is still a Royal.

There is a zero percent chance I give up any of the top 5 guys for Betts a year before free agency. Would be so dumb.

He’s not a RF. He’s been good with the Cubs, but he’s a pass for me. Not a great fit and not a good enough stick for DH and Abreu playing 1B fulltime isn’t my priority. That being said, I’d definitely prefer him to many other options, so we’ll have to see how the offseason shapes up - just feel like with some creativity there are better fits.

Yah, 2 year deal definitely blocks Vaughn then. Vaughn should be ready by 2021 at the latest. We'll see how it plays out.

Yah. Can get to a similar place by just signing JD to DH and Abreu to a 1 year deal at 1B. I do that think Abreu has played himself into more than a 1 year deal at this point, though.

And commit to having the worst defensive OF in the game? It worries me the Sox would do this, and why I am not more excited about Martinez. As a straight DH, very occasional RF fill-in....he's great. If you're sticking him in RF most days....oh boy.

Agreed completely on that time frame.

There is a 0% chance we'll get a new vision until Hahn has been given a chance to see the rebuild through. But things obviously change starting this offseason.

If pointing out that you're constantly negative and almost never make a positive post is "making it personal", I guess I am guilty but I wouldn't really say that is ripping on you because it is true. Anyways, I agree that replacing Hamels with one of the top 5 SP on the FA market + Martinez + Abreu + Dickerson + bullpen arm or two would be pretty damn good offseason. Not super interested in Hamels unless he is the 2nd SP added.

Let's be honest. Is there an offseason you would be pleased with? The Sox could sign Rendon and Cole and you'd find a way to rip them.