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QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 05:44 PM) I literally can't think of a worse scenario than not trading Sale and trying to plug holes with 1/2 assed free agents again. That's like signing up for a painful 77 win season while also devaluing Sale's contract. The longer he is under contract and healthy the higher his value is. Meh, not if you can't get full value. If teams are only willing to give up so much, you can probably get that same type package next winter. I'm not convinced we're ther yet and I do think someone will blink, but keeping Sale isn't a worst case scenario for me if none of the offers are to Hahns liking.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 05:22 PM) True. But then again, if they can't trade Sale now, with the FA market so devoid of pitching, when are they going to be able to trade him? At some point, Hahn needs to do his job and actually produce. Trade him in a year or two when you can actually get somebody to handover fair value. I do not support a Sale trade just to move on.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 05:02 PM) Some good Hahn quotes on Twitter about the current approach. Would post them if I wasn't at work. Sure sounds like a rebuild. Who's tweeted it?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 05:09 PM) We'll see about that. I'll buy the book IF he makes a deal. In the meantime, the Sox should be selling a bunch of other guys. Meh. If you can't get what you want for Sale, may as well try to win while you got him. I am not suggesting we go out and sign EE and Wieters, but Wellington Castillo and Carlos Gomez would work if we can't get a marquee return for Sale. That said, would be curious to hear Hahn's interview today. Will have to wait until I get home as I can't get on twitter at work.

Good. Get what you want, Ricky.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 04:30 PM) OMG dude I understand that. It doesnt stop him from having a plan and being transparent with some things in the media. Other executives handle it well and still lose no competitive advantage. Maybe Hahn's biggest problem is that he has no tact. If that is all it is than everything will be forgiven after his awesome moves pan out. Ha, yet he has no conviction or plan? Got it.

Kind of a slow first day of the meetings....

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 04:16 PM) I am being hard on him and took that statement out of context because he literally never has a concrete direction with any answer he ever gives. Because it gives him literally zero competitive advantage to share his plans or the team direction. None.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 04:09 PM) Like usual, operating with no real conviction or methodically aligned plan. You think it makes sense for him to come out and say we plan on trading our most valuable assets for the best package we can get? That'd be dumb.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 04:02 PM) He's talking about trading for them. Ahhh, ya, can't argue there.

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) We keep hearing that about Benintendi, Turner, etc. If that's the case, they really should have made their moves for these guys sooner. Benintendi was gone when the Sox drafted in 15. Turner would have been a major reach for them in 14 - plus, Rodon looks just fine.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) The much more part of Rosenthal's tweet has my mind scrambling of who else would be in the deal. My guess is Ross, Severino, plus one of the position player prospects in the top 10. Not sure I love the deal, but I don't hate it.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:13 PM) I keep seeing this. He was actually Rosenthal's understudy. He has many of the same sources. Just listen to the guy talk. He's a clown. He may have a few sources, but he knows shockingly little about the game for a guy many baseball fans look to as an insider. Its also obvious that the other insiders don't quite respect him as much as others. Its quite obvious during certain segments he is involved with on MLBN.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 03:08 PM) Supposedly the offers for Quintana aren't near the offers for Sale. The moron Morosi actually said if the Sox traded Q or Eaton they wouldn't be blockbuster trades. If that is true, there is no reason to trade them. Morosi knows nothing.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) Yeah if Turner isn't involved I don't like what they have to offer after Giolito and Robles. Their only interesting players are pitchers they are super weak on posiitional talent. I agree. But Robles, Giolito, Ross, Lopez and Severino is a pretty good return. I do think that move necessitates the Sox moving other peices for as much offense as they can get though.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 02:52 PM) And by the time Carlos comes into his own he'll be due $200 million. The Sox have 5 more years of Rodon. Slow your roll.

Listening to Rich Hill on MLBN now. What a great guy - happy for him. Didn't realize he lost an infant son a few years back.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) I think it goes a little something like this: Hahn - "Mike, you can offer Giolito and Robles all day long, but I've got to have Turner." Rizzo - "If I'm giving up Turner, I can't give you Giolito OR Robles...and I'm not even sure I can get a sign off on Turner, to be honest." Hahn - "You know our suite #, Mike." Rizzo - "Rick, you've got to help me offset Turner if I'm going to move him..." Hahn - "What about Melky?" Rizzo - "Come on Rick. I need someone who will be here for at least a couple years. Give me Adam." Hahn - Eaton is not off the table, but then I'm going to need Turner and your top 6-7 guys, Mike." Edited for accuracy.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 01:32 PM) We've discussed this regarding Bregman, if we were able to pry Turner from DC, does he play CF for us? 2B? SS? 2B I would imagine.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) It's easily possible with Turner included. It's possible, but I moreso meant no way Washington trades Turner, Ross and 8 out of their top 10 prospects to make it happen.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) I smell a mega deal for Sale and Eaton... Not sure that is possible. Turner, Giolito, Robles, Lopez, Ross, Cole, Kieboom, Nuese, Stevenson, and Severino? So basically Turner, Giolito, Cole, Nuese and Severino for Sale. Robles, Lopez, Ross, Kieboom and Stevenson for Eaton.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) I don't think Cutch has the value that people think. He's not good defensively anymore, wants to play CF, and was a negative WAR player last year. Agreed. I think Cole / Lopez and a back-end top 10 would be enough to get him.

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) 5 years of control on Ross, FYI. He has a little over 1 year of service time. Thanks. Robles, Giolito, Ross, Cole/Lopez, Severino and a wildcard offensive piece (one of Kieboom/Nuese/Stevenson/Ward/Banks). Maybe that is too much, but that's what I'd expect without Turner. Let's them keep one of Cole/Lopez..I assume they'd keep Lopez.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:17 AM) Hahn wanted to rebuild before 2013. He wanted to sell off Samardzija in 2015 and he wanted to trade off guys in July. You'll complain all day and everyday about the Sox but you're not actually saying anything of substance. Right now, we're barely in the offseason. The CBA just signed into agreement on Thursday. The Winter Meetings started a less than a handful of hours ago. Would you at least wait until January before your continue your routine? I am not sure how you're not annoyed by yourself parroting the same stuff over and over again. Doesn't it get old? Nobody around here is happy with the way things have gone. Nobody is arguing they've gone well. If you have gripes, say it specifically. Your constant general complaining about what "many said" or "everyone thought" is beyond trite at this point. It's a shame because unlike others who do something of the same, you are capable of being a great contributor to the forum. Instead, you choose to fear monger and overreact to the first few hours of inactivity. Post of the year!!!!

QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 11:13 AM) For me, swap in Ross and Cole for Lopez and Fedde. Lopez has a scary delivery and Fedde is already a TJS guy. You can't get back 2 TJS guys in Giolito and Fedde as part of a Sale trade, IMHO. Lots of people these days saying that post TJS guys are actually safer, and their elbows stronger. I don't disagree with what you're saying - but its not that cut and dry any more. Cole and Ross and intriguing, for sure, but we'd only have 4 or 5 years of control on Ross.