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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:19 AM) He looks like a HS kid, and I am sure his source was whitesoxdave Who has basically said he has nothing, correct?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 09:10 AM) I thought someone had something since the title of the thread changed. Other than that Rob Hill guy (who is he?), I haven't seen it confirmed. Don't doubt it is in the works, but still seems odd.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 08:40 AM) If this is pretty much official, it is the first domino in a rebuild. It isn't like Lawrie was due a ton of money. It isn't like Saldino has been the picture of health during his career and is actually older than him. I liked his energy, and power. everything considered, it probably isn't a huge loss because he had the one year anyway. But I don't think I would have punted. I think it is far from official with no word from the Sox. Perhaps they've alerted him that they plan to move on, although that would seem like a dumb move as it takes away any degree of leverage they had in trade talks.

Surprised they couldn't get even an A ball lottery ticket.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) This thread is being adjusted to purely post actual happenings. NO discussion to happen in this thread. I.e., if a player signs, feel free to put somethig in here, but if you want legitimate discussion, please establish a new thread. BRING BACK THE CATCHALLS!

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 08:29 AM) I haven't heard much either. I had heard hes missing most of next season as well. Maybe the Trib is just clueless? No surgery needed. I doubt he is expected to miss most of next season.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) If you're rebuilding, you go out and sign someone like Valbuena or Hill to play 3b in the case that a Sale or other player trade does not bring back a valid 3b option. Or you play Lawrie or Saladino there. Tyler needs to be in the lineup everyday if the Sox aren't going for it.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 12:34 PM) One mid level prospect. Maybe like a slightly higher ranked Charlie Tilson. Hahaha, waaaa?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:29 PM) Abreu had a s***ty first half last year, but put up a wRC+ of 142 & a .898 OPS in the second half. I don't think you can look at his 2016 numbers in aggragate and value him as a player. He's not the same guy he was during his rookie year, but he's still a premium hitter and is under team control for three seasons at what should be a well below market rate if he bounces back to a 3 WAR type player. In this market, there should be at least one team willing to pony up for him. If not, he's a guy who might be worth holding onto until the trade deadline and allowing his trade value to bounce back. Well stated.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) I feel like trading Lawrie is unneccessary. He isn't expensive, he won't net you back anything franchise altering, and he is a low-chance lottery ticket to improve his value. Yah, I think the reason is more-so to give Saladino the 2B job. I guess if Frazier is traded, either Lawrie or Saldino could play 3B. Either way, Tyler should be in the lineup if this team isn't going for it.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:46 AM) He was simply horrible last year on defense. Since he debuted, he's the worst defensive 1b in baseball according to def fWAR (Alvarez is worse but no longer playing in the field) Hmm. Thanks for sharing. Didn't realize the advanced stats hated him THAT much. The eye test would say he is mediocre defensive 1B, but clearly the stats say otherwise.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) His value you should be similar to EE and he may get a 5 year $125 million deal. Yup - Abreu still has a great deal of value around the league IMO.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 10:50 AM) He can also opt out of his contract in to arb at any time, so he really doesn't have as much surplus value as it would seem. I am aware. His salary isn't going to skyrocket. I doubt he opts into arb this year. Do we know when he has to decide? It must be soon. Plus, lets stop acting like Jose cannot play 1B. Is he great over there? No. But he's not horrible.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 11:09 AM) He's averaged 3.8 fWAR per 162 games played for his career. Even in a down year like last year he managed 2.4 fWAR, which is above average. He also had a unsustainable .236 BABIP last year that hurt him. Guys that can play solid defense at 3rd and hit 40 home runs don't grow on trees. Frazier definitely has value. This. I think he has more value not versus during the season since the acquiring team could recoup a pick.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 08:44 AM) Carson Fulmer. LOL

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 09:00 AM) I don't see him bringing back a top 100 guy. For real? He'd probably sign a 4-5 year deal worth $80-$100M in free agency. There is still quite a bit of surplus value there.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 01:20 PM) I don't think he is either. My preference is Swihart in all honesty and he might be the Sox preference as well. Who knows. Perhaps. Not convinced he is even a catcher though.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 01:13 PM) Yeah. With that deal, you'd fill 3 holes at the MLB level: one created by dealing Sale, catcher spot, and an MLB-ready OF. Yah, except I don't have confidence that Vazquez is any good.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 09:54 PM) I don't think that is nearly as big of a deal as it used to be. The quality of facilities has gone up a lot around the country in the last generation. Maybe, but Tim himself said its made a big difference for him.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 9, 2016 -> 01:04 PM) I feel like it's one more prospect short. Or another prospect and one of their catchers as a toss-in. Also, I feel like I should post this here as a reference to other Red Sox prospects: http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=bos Glad to hear Cameron thinks it is short. Give me Rodriguez and Vazquez in addition and I'd probably do it.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 12:28 PM) There is literally no good reason to throw in Jones in a package deal to worsen his value. Agreed, unless they want to pay market value on top of whoever else they're acquiring, I hate the idea.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 08:06 PM) NO. You don't trade Tim or Rodon. That's laughable. They're part of the young core. We drafted and developed both. You need home grown players. We could absolutely revamp this farm with young players by moving the likes of Sale, Q, Jones, Abreu, Frazier, Melky and Eaton. I'd keep Eaton, however, if someone gave you something too good to pass up you deal him as well. Exactly. If someone wants to bowl you over for Eaton, you take a look at it because he's a little injury prone. But he is part of the main core, and is controlled just as long a Rodon is.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Nov 7, 2016 -> 10:28 PM) The article also lists us as interested potentially in: Fowler Desmond Bautista Ramos Wieters Reddick Gomez Saunders Napoli Morales Wood Cecil Moss Jay Holliday Give me 4 of those top 7 or sell it all. Yep, beat me to it.

What I find most interesting is how many guys they have the Sox listed as potential fits. Feels like half the list, and also feels like the Sox were left off some guys that make sense just because they kept showing up.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 8, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) And Giles isn't good. Nate is. Exactly.