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QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) Agreed, but not knowing how FA compensation works would be a pretty damning thing. Knowing the basic rules of roster management should be step 1 for being a GM. Honestly, I didn't read your post completely. Didn't realize Hahn said that. Due to the opt out clause, they must get the comp pick if he does chose to opt out. More reason why he won't do it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 04:02 PM) Though I will say that I would expect with Gonzalez at the back of the pen, that Purke goes back to Charlotte for another position player (Sanchez is my guess) soon. Jon Jay would have been nice to have on this roster instead of Shuck. I wonder what the Pads were asking for, as I am sure Hahn inquired.

QUOTE (Condor13 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 03:54 PM) So are the Sox now carrying an extra bullpen arm? Yes.

Peace, Jerry.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 03:53 PM) Would the Sox receive a draft pick if Shields were to opt? I know the answer with most players who are traded mid-season is no, but is there a loophole in the rules for players with an opt-out? I just assumed the answer would be no, but Hahn specifically saying they'd receive a compensation pick if Shields opts out and leaves has me wondering. There is no way the White Sox don't understand how the compensation rules work, right? That would be a pretty damning incitement on the organization if they don't know a basic rule most people on here are aware of. I don't think so, but he'd be DAMNED FOOL to opt out.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 02:38 PM) Which is why, as I told an earlier poster, I'll let the results on the field and the front office moves do the talking from that perspective from now on. That should make a segment of the readers happy. So it's win / win for all! Mark Cool - we'll see how long that lasts.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) Talk about a Cubs fan mentality Are you referring to me? I am taking on a Cubs fan mentality because I haven't given up on the Sox on June 7th when they are 3.5 GB from the division lead? My lord.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 01:02 PM) To me my passion for the White Sox is, was and always will be the third most important / prominent part of my life behind my wife and my son and his family. Mark Hmmm, hard to tell reading your posts. The Sox are also one of the more prominent parts of my life, always have been and likely always will be, but I take such a different approach to things than you. But as you said, everyone is different. Just don't think pointing out every single negative thing helps the picture, really, and certainly sucks out the enjoyment (at least would for me).

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 11:08 AM) .500 tonight, under .500 tomorrow...this team has completely given up. Well you certainly have.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) Pretty damn good sure, but ace level? Unlikely. Jose Quintana has maintained a lower FIP across a longer stretch with the Sox and people have argued for a long time he's not an ace, so if he's not, Jame Shields sure as s*** wasnt. He may not have been an ace in the traditional sense - if you want to call the top 30 pitchers in baseball aces. But he was the best pitcher on KCs staff, and by that definition, was the ace of their staff. But he still was probably one of the best 30 SP in the game in those years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 09:37 AM) They also traded a ton to get Juan Gonzalez. November 2, 1999: Traded by the Texas Rangers with Danny Patterson and Gregg Zaun to the Detroit Tigers for Alan Webb (minors), Frank Catalanotto, Francisco Cordero, Bill Haselman, Gabe Kapler and Justin Thompson. Frank Catalanotto - that's a name I hadn't thought of in awhile.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 09:23 AM) Umm...they traded two, Miller and Cameron Maybin. Drafted Verlander. Traded for Scherzer, that was a huge move. But, just as importantly, Ilitch became willing to spend money on guys like Victor Martinez, Cecil Fielder (turned into Ian Kinsler), Magglio Ordonez, Juan Gonzalez (turned down), Pudge Rodriguez, Carlos Guillen, Fister, overspent to draft Porcello, etc. Authorized more spending on Verlander/Cabrera (perhaps foolishly), Jordan Zimmermann, Upton, etc. Cecil Fielder, eh?

Now that there is Caulfield post.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 7, 2016 -> 07:18 AM) Anybody that thinks James Shields was ever an ace is crazy. David Price was the ace of those Rays teams, Shields has always been a compliment. He was definitely KCs ace...

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 04:37 PM) I have no proof of this. But because of the team's performance I would say overpaid and selfish are ... Lawrie, Melky, Eaton, Abreu, Frazier and Rollins. I think the bullpen guys are just bad, not selfish. Now I have no proof here, except for the Drake incident and how the "leaders" have done nothing to help this ballclub during it's struggles in losing almost every series in the last 8 series. Pathetic. Prove me wrong. Ok, but literally none of those players except for Melky are overpaid, and in todays game, he gets paid just about what he'd get on the FA market, so he is hardly overpaid.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 04:34 PM) Question might be honest but its fully loaded. Do you agree 100% with your wife or girl friend ? Ever have heated arguments with them ? Your kids ? All relationships are filled with angst. Does that mean you hate them or love them less ? Are you a miserable person because you disagree with them ? I know it's sports and not an interpersonal relationship but it's a relationship none the less. Sure, but if I had nothing good to say about my girlfriend ever and she brought me zero joy, my guess is she would no longer be my girlfriend. Whats the point if she makes you miserable?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 04:19 PM) I disagree with how 2 employees - Williams and Hahn - manage the White Sox. They are assuredly NOT the White Sox Fair enough. But you would support them if they sported this lineup? You think they'd be doing their jobs then? C: Josh Phegley 1B: Danny Hayes 2B: Micah Johnson SS: Carlos Sanchez 3B: Marcus Semien LF: Jason Coats CF: Trayce Thompson RF: Adam Eaton

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 04:14 PM) Shields must shake up the locker room! Bunch of overpaid selfish players is my suspicion. Shields turned around the KC Royals. Can he do the same for the Sox?? Maybe. If I were him I'd meet with Sale and discuss, cause Sale is a badass as well. The rest of 'em? Ha. Mental midgets at least IMO. Who on the Sox do you find as "overpaid and selfish"?

I'd be completely fine with the Sox moving on from Ventura, but we all know that isn't going to happen right now. I don't think he is the difference between this team making the playoffs and not - I think that relies on how Jose Abreu bounces back from his dreadful start and if the Sox go get a real bat from the left side and how that player does. But it perhaps would light a fire under the team's ass. But I just don't see it happening.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 6, 2016 -> 03:56 PM) That's what the team under Kenny Williams does. That's not what happened under his 2 predecessors. Yes, they could flip Shields for more than they paid if he pitches better than he has. But, to paraphrase, that's not what they do. Honest question - its obvious you have so much hatred for the White Sox - why don't you just give up caring, or find another team to cheer on? Again, honest question - no sport/hobby should make you as miserable as you appear to be towards the Sox, so why spend so much time loathing over it?

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 5, 2016 -> 08:36 AM) There are a small but vocal group of posters that only seem to show up to gloat that the team is failing. They represent about 80% of the complaints to mods that we receive. It's anyone's choice to follow a team they hate and which makes them feel horrible (although I wonder why). But when they are trolling other members it gets looked at. And there is a difference between feeling horrible when the team doing poorly and posting that and gloating that the team is doing horrible and that poster feels great that they were proven right about what a horrible team it is. The posters that genuinely seem to feel better when the team is doing worse really bring the site down even further than it naturally would. Great post. I couldn't agree more - way way way too much of that around here. Hard to read.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 07:52 PM) Wouldn't have happened if Robin actually used a guy who had experience playing in center field with Jackson out. But nope can't do that...LOL. Mark Hahahahahahahhahahahahaha

QUOTE (Rooftop Shots @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 10:30 PM) Just wanted to say Thanks. I don't post often but amidst all of the gloom and doom thats written on the board, you seem to find ways to put some HOPEFUL and positive spins on things at times. Granted i am just as frustrated with everything as everyone else is, but this is baseball. I love the sport. I hate when winter comes and we have to wait soooo long for the season to start. I am TRYING to have some hope in this team, but man some of the negativity really gets depressing at times. Is everyone frustrated? Absolutely and SHOULD be. But overall I still believe we have a good team. I know its a long shot, but if Abreu ever gets his head out of his rear end, we have a lineup of one through 7 that's really not all that bad. He has hurt us a lot of games this year in real possible turning points in games. I remember a while back he Paulie went in a half year slump. He made NO excuses. He knew how he hurt the team, And fans were calling for his head. Just worked hard at getting out of it...and becamse a start and a hero again.. Can only hope the same for Abreu. I'd rather have the team go through this now and get all this $h&^&&t out of the way now than have it come in September. On the other side.......we have a REAL good defensive club as well. hopefully Rodon will get where he is supposed to be as well. A lot of IF's and Hopes? Sure. But if the 83 Sox can start off as horrible as they did and not lose a series the entire second half, then why couldn;t this team if everyone just does what they are supposed to do? Any, enough said. Just wanted to say thanks for some of your positives posts that you put out now and then. There is still a LOT of baseball yet. and if Frazier hasn't done what he did in many key situations,... we might be where Minny is at. But we are not. And also.....the front office (agree or disagree with any future moves) is at least TRYING to to something by TRYING to get a guy that eats innings to salvage a bullpen so its not totally trashed by August, along with still having money for more additions. Granted. its all long shots. But we still do have a VERY Good chance with some REAL hope with the pieces that we have. Tom Great post. This is what I come to Soxtalk to read.

Looked concussed to me. Poor guy.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 4, 2016 -> 06:54 PM) He's one of the best five posters on this board, and he knows his stuff about non-baseball related matters as much as anyone here. It doesn't matter what someone's opinions are, or it shouldn't, as long as they are well-informed. And his always have been. If you went back about 5 years, you'd see guys like Balta or Lip were pretty consistently optimistic and hopeful. These last 4-5 seasons have taken a lot out of MANY White Sox fans, which have been reflected in the tv and radio ratings. Dude knows the game. That's obvious. But it's always doom and gloom. It's annoying as hell. There is no reason to dislike this trade. They gave up close to nothing and got a mid rotation innings eater for under market value. He can be bad and still be worth $9M AAV. I agree that offense and bullpen and bigger priorities, but it's the first week of June.