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QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 01:25 PM) Listening to both Hahn interviews now. One thing I kind of want to know is do GMs just call around and see in general what prospects other teams like of theirs to call in for three team deals. That piece on the Dodgers saying they could get Frazier was so interesting, I wonder if we call them to bring them in or are just talking to them about their players and it comes up. I am guessing that the Dodgers were going to send the same or similar package to Reds for Chapman. When that fell apart, Frazier was brought up but LAD didn't want him due to Turner. Cincy probably told Hahn that they wanted those three from LAD so they worked out the three way. Friedman said he wasn't comfortable moving Frazier to the OF or Turner to 2B. Also saw a tweet shortly after the trade that said Sox were involved in the Chapman trade. I believe it came from Heyman or Rosenthal. Would have been interesting to see what that deal would have looked like, but presume the Sox were still getting Frazier.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 19, 2015 -> 08:39 AM) With Cespedes and Upton both rumored by nearly every expert to be in $150 million territory, logic says that Gordon is the one to fall, like Scott Shields last year. The problem with this theory is that 4 years and $100 million is a lot more palatable to about half of MLB in terms of a max contract for their franchise...you can see Gordon falling to maybe $85-90 million, but that would be the absolute floor unless something comes up on a physical exam that draws a red flag and scares teams off (or is used as a negotiating tactic). Scott Sheilds?lol

QUOTE (SoCalSox @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 07:11 PM) Any truth to the rumor floating around that Robertson could be on the block? Would be extremely stupid. Zero truth.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 03:04 PM) I wonder if Sox were in on him at all. I'm guessing lots were interested but he may have wanted a place where he saw the rotation fit. If Danks/ EJ scared him off, he must not be too healthy or confident in his ability to bounce back.

The exact type of deal I was expounding the Sox should make to 2K yesterday.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 01:37 PM) All very good points. I like the scenario of offering 10-12 million for 2016, then jumping up to 20-25 million in the following years before the inevitable opt-out clause after year 3. This way the player would be guaranteed 60+ million over the first 3 years of the deal, with JR only having to really jack up the payroll in 2016. Which is 1 of 2 years we have Frazier and Lawrie under control. It kind of needs to be done. No more of this half-assed stuff. Thankfully, I think the Sox FO is on the same page and will do what needs to be done.

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 01:29 PM) Scott Yes, thanks.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 01:31 PM) Got it. I don't necessarily want to cut bait on Avi, but I don't want him starting in RF for 130 games either. Me and the rest of the White Sox universe on that last point I guess... Nor do I my friend.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 01:29 PM) OK, I'm assuming you mean this scenario is if we actually land one of the big 3, who can then play LF for Melky. Then we still have Avi in right...? Correct. LF - Upton/Cespedes/Gordon CF-Eaton RF-Parra or Shuck / Avi platoon DH- Melky Bench warmer extraordinaire: LaRoche That is a VASTLY improved defense (especially if Gordon is the one signed), even with Avi still in RF a couple days a week.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) Shuck could match Avi's offensive #'s I bet. And I do mean offensive... Perhaps. I'd be fine giving Avi another chance, just in a limited role unless he earns more or in case of an injury. Think about...under current roster construction, after Avi and Shuck...next man up is Scott Hairston or Jason Coats. Avi needs to be retained, but I'd be fine with him starting in AAA.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) Who would be the main DH if Laroche is on the team and it's NOT him? Also, if you can get Gordon on slightly cheaper dollars than expected maybe JR can be convinced to get that 2nd outfielder. I'm still split on whether a 2nd outfielder or a righty starting pitcher would be the way to go if they bump the budget up. Melky. LaRoche can DH on days when a bad RHP is on the hill, sending Melky to the bench or spelling of the OF.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) It's a tough pill to swallow no doubt, but I wouldn't say it's pointless. It would at least facilitate an opening at DH that Melky could fill; lineup becomes better, as does the defense. If Laroche is on the team come April, he's starting at DH no matter how you slice it right? Yuck to that. A quick fix is to bring in 2 outfielders, one major and one mid-tier, and the roster problem is solved imo. Still need a starting pitcher though, not sure if JR would extend that far after last year's face plant, or if Hahn & Co. can get that creative deal-wise... 1st Bold: I don't agree with. He'll be on the roster, but I hope its not as a everyday DH. Unlikely, but its possible. 2nd Bold: I totally agree, and have been piping it for awhile now. One of the big three, plus Parra to platoon with Avi in RF. Also unlikely, but it makes the most sense, but would also require a significant increase in payroll from last year. vs. RHP Eaton - CF Melky - DH Abreu - 1B Frazier - 3B Upton/Cespedes/Gordon - LF Parra - RF Lawrie - 2B Avila - C Saladino - SS BN: Sanchez, Avi, LaRoche, Navarro vs. LHP Eaton - CF Melky - DH Abreu - 1B Frazier - 3B Upton/Cespedes/Gordon - LF Avi - RF Lawrie - 2B Navarro - C Saladino - SS BN: Sanchez, Avi, LaRoche, Avila Another cheaper, more realistic option is to just replace Shuck with Parra (but obviously move him down the lineup a bit), but not sure I want Shuck getting 350 ABs.

QUOTE (Knackattack @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 01:11 PM) Melky in LF can be stomached but Avi in RF absolutely cannot be. He has to go. It's 1 more year of Melk chugging around like a fool in LF, then he is DH for a season. I'd prefer neither of them in the OF but a couple games a week. Upton/Gordon/Cespedes plus Parra. Pipe dream, I know, but it makes the White Sox much better.

QUOTE (blackmooncreeping @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 09:58 AM) Give them another call, phone stalk them, throw in another 2 million. Do whatever it takes to open up the DH spot for Melky and bring in 2 outfielders. Cmon Hahn! Eating $10M of LaRoches contract is pointless. May as well keep him as injury insurance, PH and and late inning defensive replacement at that juncture. I actually think he may have a decent year, but I still think they need to go into the season with Melky as the primary DH / occasional OFer.

QUOTE (bruni @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 11:36 AM) Now we wait for the other shoe to drop: the trade of Robertson. Trading Robertson shed's $36 million in future commitments and gives Hahn an extra $10.1 million this year alone (Robertson $11M - Jones $.9M) from his closer role. Take the $10.1 and use it to put on a down payment for the 1st year of a stud OF like Upton or Cespedes and then back load the contract with the extra $27.5 M saved from the expiring contracts of Danks and LaRoche. Better yet, if you can trade Robertson for a young cost controlled OF w upside (think Soler type) and remove the financial burden and then take the money saved for another FA OF then you solve for both corners and move Cabrera to DH and dump LaRoche on anyone that will have him while even paying 80% or so of his remaining $13M. Make it happen Rick! Trading Robertson greatly weakens the bullpen. I'd keep him unless someone bowls you over.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 11:32 AM) One thing I do question is that 900k+1.9M+3.95 does not add up to 8M. It does when you add in the $1.25M buyout. So it is really three years at $6.75M total ($2.25M AAV) with a $1.25M buyout on the 2019 and 2020 club options.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) How much would he have earned in Arb? Looks like more sentimentality

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 11:14 AM) How much would he have earned in Arb? Looks like more sentimentality

QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 11:07 AM) Jones will earn $900,000 in 2016, $1.9 million in 2017 and $3.95 million in 2018. The White Sox hold club options for 2019 ($4.65 million) and 2020 ($5.15 million) with a mutual for 2021 ($6 million). If either club option is declined, Jones would receive a $1.25-million buyout. Don't love the buyout, but other than that, this is a great contract. Like I said before, if Jones has a big year in 2016, he could have very well could have made $4-$5M or more in 2017 through the arbitration process. Plus we buy out a FA year. This is a good deal.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 18, 2015 -> 10:50 AM) I don't like this signing. Hahahahaha, how could you possibly not like locking up a guy who can be an elite reliever when healthy to a 3 year deal (that buys out one FA year) at an AAV of $2.67M, with additional options years??? He very well may have beat those totals in arbitration next year if he is healthy this season. GREAT, SMART MOVE. Good work, Rick.

QUOTE (BigFinn @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 03:37 PM) Sign Gerardo Parra to platoon with Avi Garcia: Parra vs RHP: .303/.336/.473 Garcia vs LHP: .293/.353/.407 Parra is a decent defender and could spell Garcia late in close ballgames. I love the idea of signing Parra, along with Gordon/Cespedes/Upton. Realize that is extremely unlikely, but I think it makes the Sox a real contender.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 03:45 PM) No Anderson. Fulmer in there instead if anything If you can get Sonny Gray, you give up Anderson and Fulmer, and just about every other prospect of note in our system. But it is never going to happen and not even worth discussing.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) Crazy thought here: Trade SP Erik Johnson, SS Tim Anderson, SP Spencer Adams and OF Adam Engel to the A's for SP Sonny Gray Yeah, it is crazy. Sonny Gray is about the closest comp value wise to Sale. He may be more valuable. Ask yourself, would you be happy with that return for Sale? Hell no! This doesn't even get you remotely close to acquiring Sonny Gray.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 03:17 PM) Then we are talking about $2 million anymore. We are talking about more at risk. I said its $2M more you can throw at a guy like that.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 17, 2015 -> 03:13 PM) You can't really sign a pitcher to "back up" EJ/Danks. Any starter that is going to sign is going to expect to start, at which point you're committing to either releasing Danks or sending EJ to AAA. You could always park Danks or said flyer in the bullpen, or release said flyer. Its not like its a new idea. Perhaps someone coming off an injury that may be out a month or two would make more sense. The Sox don't have a ton of depth that is ML ready at the moment, besides for maybe Beck.