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It's classic boomer whataboutism and false equivalency. It is so very tired.

Correct. Thorpe is not listed on either the MLB Sox 40 man or on Baseball reference.

This comes as zero surprise to me. The dope has survived a 3-22 start and a 14 game losing streak after a 101 loss season last year. Something tells me results don't much matter to his fate at this point.

I could not care less if the White Sox have the top ranked system. I need them to crank out Major League players on a regular basis and have the system provide actual depth for the big league club. Top 100 prospects are great and all, but I'd rather they avoid a repeat of the last failed rebuild with a top heavy system that leaves them with nothing after the best prospects graduate.

Still feels like a big IF to me. The roster shuffling seems like desperation, just hoping something magically works.

No, I won't stand up because you tell me to.

I would have laughed at the notion too, but here we are. This org doesn't pay for marquee free agents, they don't sign ace level starters or any quality starter to long term deals. They also don't draft well or develop MLB players on the regular. They are also one of the worst teams at scouting at the MLB level. Yes, three years is a long time, but JR isn't going to drastically change his ways in his twilight years. With how this org operates, and with the dearth of talent currently in the minors, I simply see no path to being a good team before Robert's deal expires, let alone a legit contender.

They actually won a game?

Or chooses not to.

It is June of 2024. Robert is only signed through 2027. This org doesn't even have foundational pieces that you could dream on being Major League players by the time Robert's deal is up. There is zero path with the way this org operates that they will be a competitive team again with Robert still under contract.

If the Sox were only a 90 loss disappointment, I would worry less about Robert being wasted in this toxic org. But we are a far cry from a mere disappointment.

I just don't see the O's parting with their prospects. Especially not for a position player. They just lost two starting pitchers for the rest of the season, if they are making a trade that's where I think they would look to add. Mariners on the other hand desperately need a proven bat, two even. High-A is stacked with talent, but I think Getz would want guys closer to the bigs.

Do you honestly believe Devers would have come here and prospered? I don’t.

Chris Getz making marquee trades frightens me. If he though this catastrophe would be competitive, I sure as hell can’t put any faith in his talent evaluation. This team is so fucked for the foreseeable future.

That’s Nastrini-esque. Where the hell do they find these guys?

When moving on to Detroit and a very mid Tigers team is the better career move, it says a lot.

That’s my hope. With the new network I could see the execs wanting a fresh start w/o the obvious baggage / drama with him.

"Finished" is the term.

5/$108 isn't even close to top dollar for a marquee free agent today, and Belle was the closest to a marquee free agent they've ever signed. Nearly 30 years ago.

JR allowed Hahn to push the total payroll close to $200M, but the team has never signed a contract for $100M. JR will only spend cumulatively on a bunch of small contracts. He will not sign high dollar AAVs for multiple years, especially not for pitching. 5/$75M is tops, and that guy turned out to be a dud, so we're never seeing anything close to that ever again from JR. All of Hahn's bullpen spending was short term. Even his pre-Arb guys had under 5 years guaranteed before the options started kicking in. Point is, JR simply won't sign high dollar long term deals.

Who?

Two names: Jaime Navarro and Billy Koch.

I'd have to think Montoyo would get at least next year too with how JR operates.

Cut everyone and forfeit. It’s less humiliating.

There is no point. Nothing matters until JR is gone.