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If they don't go out and get at least three decent starting pitchers it's possible.

Maybe Getz had very little power or say-so in the final decision. Remember the Sox (aka Hahn) didn't do a thing over the winter regarding RF yet kept saying they were "contending". Basically Hahn boxed himself into a corner on this one and had no choice but to see if Colas could bail him out. Just a guess.

Again the entire organization from top to bottom is SNAFU. And nothing is really going to change until JR is gone and the baseball side of the operations is replaced.

Great story explaining why this move was made and I can understand why. Colas like so many Sox players is simply "baseball-stupid." This off season I fully expect some others to be shipped out: https://soxmachine.com/2023/09/white-sox-send-message-in-sending-oscar-colas-to-charlotte/

September 11, 2001 - The White Sox were in New York near ground zero when the terrorists attack on the World Trade Center towers took place. They got a firsthand look at one of the darkest days in U.S. history. Major League Baseball, in the wake of the national emergency, suspended all games for a week. The Sox returned to New York in early October to make up the three games with the Yankees. September 11, 2016 – In a 2-0 loss to the Royals at U.S. Cellular Field, Sox pitcher Chris Sale set the team record by recording 200 or more strikeouts for the fourth consecutive season. Sale set the team single season mark for strikeouts in 2015. He would pitch eight innings striking out 12, only to lose as the Sox offense could not give him any support. In 2016 he’d fan 233 hitters.

Getz spoke with the media again Saturday before the game: https://soxmachine.com/2023/09/chris-getz-maintains-faith-in-pedro-grifol-but-open-to-white-sox-roster-changes/

Fundamentals: There were a few things to unpack in the Sox’ 3-2 loss to the Tigers Sunday. Right fielder Oscar Colas slipped on a throw into the infield that short-hopped shortstop Tim Anderson, who didn’t smother it, allowing Andre Lipicius to take second base. Miscommunication caused Colas to crash into second baseman Elvis Andrus in short right field, Andrus could have had a runner doubled off but first baseman Gavin Sheets couldn’t make a clean backhand scoop of his throw. And Anderson didn’t run out of the box right away on a high chopper a foot in front of the plate.

And nothing will change in either case until ownership does.

Since he was traded, third baseman Jake Burger was batting .305/.359/.516 with six homers and an .875 OPS in 34 games for the Marlins through Saturday. Between the Sox and Marlins, the former Sox first-round draft pick has 31 homers, 25 doubles, 69 RBI and an .827 OPS. Left-hander Jake Eder, the Double-A pitcher the Sox got in return, is 0-3 with an 11.42 ERA in five starts at Birmingham.

September 10, 1930 - Future Hall of Famer Luke Appling made his White Sox debut. It was the start of the legacy of great Sox shortstops which included "Chico" Carrasquel, Luis Aparicio and Ozzie Guillen. Appling went 1 for 4 in a 6-2 loss to the Red Sox. September 10, 1954 - Paul Richards, one of the greatest managers in club history, resigned to accept a dual position of general and field manager for the Baltimore Orioles. Richards was the man credited with turning around the fortunes of the franchise in 1951 with his aggressive running/pitching/defensive philosophy. Sox pitcher Billy Pierce called Richards the smartest manager he ever had. Richards was also credited with turning around Nellie Fox, helping make him into a very good hitter. Richards left because the White Sox were not willing to give him a multi-year contract extension or a raise and because of personal disagreements he had with then G.M. Frank “Trader” Lane. September 10, 1967 - Coming off two straight losses to the Tigers and in danger of falling out of the pennant race, Joe Horlen threw a no-hitter. Almost 24,000 Sox fans saw Horlen win 6-0. Sox second baseman Wayne Causey saved the no-hitter with a grab of a smash up the middle, off the bat of Jerry Lumpe in the ninth inning. His throw just nipped him at the bag. Horlen hit a Tiger and another reached base on an error, other than that, he was perfect on the afternoon retiring Dick McAuliffe on a ground ball to shortstop Ron Hansen for the final out. Rookie Cisco Carlos then shut out Detroit 4-0 in the second game vaulting the Sox right back into pennant contention. It was the last time in franchise history the Sox would throw double header shutouts. September 10, 1977 - Sox pitcher Wilbur Wood tied the A.L. record by hitting three Angel hitters in a row in the first inning of the club’s 6-1 loss at Anaheim. With two out and a man on, Wood hit Dave Kingman, Don Baylor and Dave Chalk.

Dick left seven years before JR and EE bought the club. And you must be fairly young if you don't know who Dick Allen was.

It never ends with this guy: "Yoan Moncada’s home-run streak was stopped at three games, and in two at-bats he went down to a knee on swings because of a sore right knee, which was treated after the game. “His knee got a little jammed up there early in the game,” Grifol said. “It’s been bothering him the last couple of days. He probably reaggravated in [an] at-bat.”

With DVS of the Sun-Times: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2023/9/9/23865988/tough-job-times-two-ahead-for-white-sox-getz-grifol Reinsdorf said the Sox’ core is good enough to make rebuilding unnecessary. A naysayer would say the core is at the heart of one of the worst teams in club history. And Getz is observant enough to know trading from the core might be the thing to do. “I think so,” he said. “We’re a team that needs to get more athletic.” Reading between the lines, that might speak to trading Eloy Jimenez, an offensive threat who isn’t running well and is currently restricted to designated-hitter duty. “I spoke about the defense, we’ve seen some of the baserunning that’s been frustrating, whether that’s related to effort or the ability to actually take the extra base, all things that are being evaluated and most likely need to be adjusted,” Getz said. “With regard to the makeup of the roster, it would be shortsighted not to at least exhaust or at least entertain some ways to improve the team. When you’re a sub-60-win team, which we are at this point, I certainly need to find ways to improve this for 2024. And if that means we need to acquire some players by moving some of the players who are on this roster, I’m willing to do that.”

September 9, 1917 - It’s the only time the Sox have ever won a forfeited game. In Chicago against Cleveland, the Indians were protesting a close interference call that went against them in the top of the 10th inning of a tie game at 3-3. The game was delayed for 10 minutes while they argued. When they took the field in the last of the inning, Cleveland players threw their gloves in the air, some rolled around in the dirt and catcher Steve O’Neill deliberately threw a ball into center field. Umpire Clarence “Brick” Owens had enough and declared the game won by the Sox. September 9, 1921 - At Comiskey Park, the White Sox and Tigers played one of the wildest games in Major League history in Chicago’s 20-15 win. Both teams combined for 35 runs, 42 hits and seven errors! The White Sox were led by first baseman Earl Sheely, who went 5 for 5 with five runs scored, five RBIs and fell a double short of a cycle. (Sheely’s was the only homer for the 35-run game.) Johnny Mostil chipped in with four RBI’s. Perhaps most amazing is the fact that the 35 runs were all scored in the first seven innings of the game; the full eighth inning and top of the ninth all were scoreless. September 9, 1931 – This afternoon at the cross-city exhibition game between the Cubs and White Sox at Comiskey Park a famous, or ‘infamous’ fan and his son sat along the White Sox side of the field in the front row. The fan was Al Capone, the head of the largest crime syndicate in Chicago known as the “Chicago Outfit.” He took in the game with his son and a number of bodyguards who were seated directly behind them. They were part of a crowd of almost 35 thousand. The game was to benefit an unemployment relief fund established by Illinois governor Louis L. Emmerson as the Depression strengthened its grip on the country. Less than a month later Capone would go to trial on income tax evasion charges, be found guilty, and sent to prison. Their is a famous photograph of the Cubs, "Gabby" Hartnett signing a ball for Capone's son as he and his bodyguards looked on from their front row seats. September 9, 1983 - The Sox express roared on crushing former Sox great Tommy John and the Angels 11-0. What was significant in this one was, for the first time in team history, the Sox hammered back-to-back-to-back home runs. They were courtesy of Carlton Fisk, Tom Paciorek, and Greg Luzinski in the first inning. Not to be outdone, pitcher Britt Burns threw a one-hitter. Outfielder Mike Brown’s two out single in the seventh inning was his only mistake. Burns struck out nine in the game. September 9, 2003 - With one move Sox manager Jerry Manuel perhaps cost his team a post season playoff berth and eventually led himself to be fired. In a game the Sox were leading Minnesota 8-2 in the ninth inning, Manuel brought in relief pitcher Jose Paniagua to get some work in. The Sox had a one game lead over the Twins and this was the second of a four-game series at U.S. Cellular Field. Paniagua allowed four runs giving Minnesota momentum even though they’d lose 8-6. The Twins promptly won the final two games, swept the Sox the following week in Minnesota and won the second of three consecutive divisional titles. Paniagua, as he was leaving the field, made an obscene gesture at home plate umpire Mark Carlson and was released by G.M. Kenny Williams the next day. Manuel’s dismissal would come a few weeks later. There has always been debate over the impact of this incident in the divisional race but Twins players have been quoted as saying it was a difference maker. September 9, 2017 – White Sox slugger Jose Abreu became only the sixth player in franchise history to hit for the cycle in the Sox 13-1 rout of the Giants. Jose had a home run, double, single and triple in order, to get the rare occurrence. For the night he went 4 for 5 with three runs scored and three RBI’s.

From my interview with Brooks: ML: One of the first campaign’s you unveiled was the very successful “Us vs. Them” one. Take me through the process of how an ad campaign for the Sox is born. BB: “We wanted to be more aggressive in our marketing. That’s my style. I’d rather make errors of commission then of omission. I knew we were, say the Pepsi to Coke in Chicago, the Avis to Hertz. I felt the White Sox and their fans had nothing to be ashamed of and I wanted to emphasize the things that made White Sox fans unique and proud.” “Today we are still fighting the stereotypes that have surrounded the organization…oh the neighborhood’s not safe, the ballpark is sterile…the best way to fight that is to attack and that resonates with our fans. Also remember I started my career here the same time Ozzie Guillen did. How can you not get caught up in his passion, his love for the White Sox?” ML: Talk to me specifically about “Us vs. Them.” What were you trying to achieve? As mentioned, Sox fans loved it, Cub fans and some of the media hated it. BB: “It’s about us, about White Sox fans, about ‘Sox Pride.’ I didn’t want fans wondering or worrying about who ‘we’ were. We wanted our fans to know that we knew who we were. We had a lot of fun with it and it helped break down those stereotypes we talked about earlier. Fans took pride in it, they came out to the ballpark, they saw it was a beautiful place to watch a game from.”

You know the season has gone completely off the rails and interest has dropped to near zero when pizza and beef sandwiches are dominating game threads.

Brother Rice grad myself, class of 1973.

Don't forget right field, possibly a shortstop if Anderson is traded, a back up catcher and a decent bench.

Which reinforces my point. The Dodgers know what they are doing at all levels...player development, medical, training and conditioning, free agent signings, drafting. If he didn't feel right which is certainly possible they immediately shut him down. Now compare that to the way the Sox are handling Crochet for example.

The Dodgers know what they are doing at all levels unlike the White Sox.

I agree but I'd also say some of these events were in his control too.

That team won 94 games and shocked the baseball world. They didn't underperform at all.

Very true.

September 8, 1962 - Sox pitcher and future Hall of Famer Early Wynn won his 299th career game beating Washington 6-3. Wynn would throw a complete game scattering nine hits with three strikeouts. He would get a spring training invite for 1963 but was cut. Fortunately, the Indians, the team Wynn pitched for earlier in his career, picked him up and he got the coveted 300th win on July 13 when he beat Kansas City 7-4 on the road. It was his last win in the Major Leagues. September 8, 2022 - Sox third baseman Yoan Moncada did something that had never been done before in the American League as part of a 14-2 rout by the club over the A’s in Oakland. Moncada went 5 for 5 with five RBI’s for the second time in the season which had never happened in the league since RBI’s became an official statistic in 1920. He had two home runs and a double among his hits and finished the game with 12 total bases. He did it the first time on June 15 against the Tigers when he went 5 for 6 with five RBI’s. Also happening in the game were back-to-back home runs leading the game off by the White Sox. Elvis Andrus and Moncada both went deep off of J.P. Sears to start the rout.

Garfien and McGuffey briefly mentioned this on their podcast today, said it wasn't a good look for the Sox.