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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 05:58 AM) What did he do to inspire two bombs off Felix Hernandez in one game? Can't answer that....maybe luck? Even a blind squirrel runs into an acorn every so often. From what I've been told by people who should know, Anderson had as much talent as anyone but was immature (which he has admitted) and loved the night life. Kenny Williams noticed that and also noticed that the guy who hung out the most with Anderson regarding said night life was Brandon McCarthy.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 11, 2017 -> 06:24 AM) http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/201...-deal-with-uber From everything I've ever read, the Sox set the parking rates and get 100% of the revenues. OK then, I appreciate clearing that up.

Mark Gonzales told me the story when the Sox were in Cleveland and instead of watching pregame video on that night's starting pitcher, Anderson and another guy were watching cartoons. Let's just say the other guys on the team noticed.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 09:57 PM) So take a team like the Astros. 44-19, with a 12.5 game lead in the division right now. Why would they pay "maximum value" for Robertson right now? What's the rush? If you were in the Astros front office, or even a fan for that matter, would be you beating down the door to pay maximum value for a RP on another team when you hold a 12.5 game lead? It's the same argument for the Nats, who hold a 10.5 game lead. I'm not saying Robertson won't be moved, and of course I want to see the Sox FO get as much as they can for him. But there are circumstances surrounding the deal that make it a little more complicated than "Robertson is pitching great, they need to move him ASAP for a GREAT package..." I suspect the Astros now will be in the market more for a starting pitcher as opposed to a relief guy with Keuchel going down...but we'll see. Agree with the fact that the lead they have gives them time to figure things out same as Washington.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 09:11 PM) Averaging in the low 20s is kind of lousy isn't it? Is it the price of a ticket, parking, concessions or the slow pace of baseball in 2017? Sox attendance has been going down every season from the previous one since the end of the 2006 season, except for two years if I remember correctly. Shouldn't be a surprise given the state of the team on the field for the past decade. Also I thought I read somewhere about the parking and that what is charged is not the decision of the Sox nor do they get a share of the parking money generated. I could be wrong about that, perhaps someone can clarify.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 10, 2017 -> 10:27 PM) Great minds think alike gregg. I understand the trade talks and tgecrebuulsvidea, but problem is everyone calling for the dismantling of the current team has no idea who or what we should get in return. All you hear is some vague mention of "prospects." Plus who do we have to replace the important pieces we may think should be traded? I seriously think contract extension for Frazier and Robertson would be a good move Just my opinion but it really doesn't matter for the next two seasons, who they replace the guys who are traded with. That's all part of the process that has been decided already for right or wrong by the powers that be. Any warm body will do. They are going to lose and lose an awful lot, may as well get used to it, make the best if it and get something good out of it (hopefully) at the end. Also on the topic of free agency, under current ownership the Sox have never, are never and will never spend the hundreds of millions of dollars to get the absolute top free agents out there. Plus this past off season's crop of free agents as well as next year's is not considered good overall. Even if you signed a bunch of them there were (are) very, very few difference makers...not worth what they were asking. And the Sox had and still have more holes in the lineup and on the roster than craters on the Moon. Even if they wanted to they couldn't possibly sign enough decent free agents to attempt to fill all the gaping issues. On another topic, the only bad thing tonight was that once again the starting pitcher couldn't go deep into the game (but at least they didn't use Petricka!

So much for hoping he pitches well.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 9, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) Hope Petricka is ready to contribute to our pennant push I hope he can actually stay healthy for a change, pitch well and be part of a deal come July for more prospects.

Filler material I guess given his age and lack of accomplishments. And to answer a question earlier in the thread, Sox have the worst win percentage now in the A.L. and the 3rd worst in baseball.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 8, 2017 -> 10:05 PM) What? Dude was a league average hitter last year and is pretty much a league average hitter now. Combine that will solid defense at 3B and being a great clubhouse presence and there will be teams willing to give up something of value for him. Maybe...we'll see. personally I don't think the Sox will get much for him.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 6, 2017 -> 07:12 PM) I watched the Hawk dugout interview with the media from last week or whenever. He just always mentions the grandkids. He just wants to be around them and help them with their baseball which is great. I can't help but think the horribleness of the Sox product now and for the next 5 years really has soured him on baseball. Can you picture seeing as many games as he has in his life? I am thinking he just has no interest in watching bad baseball. I bet he'd come up with a way to make it work with his grandkids (maybe take a full month off when they play the most games) if the Sox actually had a team worth watching. I mean he has to be sickened by the product. He may be 'sickened' by the product (aren't we all?) but he's getting very well paid for the trouble of doing so at least.

With his agent it is almost 100% guaranteed that he'll be hitting the open market and asking for a lot...probably much more than the Sox are going to be willing to pay (unless by that time they are under new ownership.) Taking all that into account you move him if there is a very good offer on the table. The issue is that I don't think Rodon has ever been healthy and contributed for a full season in his short career. That certainly could limit trade opportunities...at least getting something making a deal worthwhile in my opinion.

I think he and everyone of the top prospects should stay in the minors for at least this entire season. What's the rush? Especially with the Sox not going anywhere and attempting to get the highest draft choices possible.

Rick Morrissey with a column on Piersall and the state of sports announcing today: http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/timid-b...brand-of-truth/

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jun 4, 2017 -> 03:44 PM) There's the more minor issue of bullpen decisions. I know this may be more Cooper, but specifically, I'm referring to his use of Robertson in non-save situations, especially in extra-inning road games. What's the point of burning your closer in the bottom of the 9th inning in a tie game when you might need him to, I don't know, close the game later on? Not to mention Robertson tends to pitch poorly in non-save spots. I understand where you are coming from but part of the issue is, if you don't use him in non-save situations he could go a week or 10 days without work. And no pitcher is sharp under those circumstances either. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Regarding RR, I think he's a guy who can help shape a team for future contention but is not the guy to actually take you to the promised land. I hope the Sox realize this as well.

Sox again get almost nothing out of a starting pitcher and the bullpen is now showing what most of the guys in it have shown for their major league careers. As Kenny Williams would say, "it is what it is..."

Always appreciated his honesty and the man absolutely knew the game. For any interested here is the link to the interview that I had with him. Like in real life, he wasn't afraid to speak his mind and had some wonderful stories: http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/in...=11&id=2852

Sox are about to go to a season worst six under if I remember correctly.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 3, 2017 -> 10:28 AM) Good news. Now we have Ynoa with arm issues The way pitchers for the Sox have been dropping like flies this year, one probably shouldn't be surprised. What's wrong with him by the way?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 12:53 PM) Beck is 18/5 K/BB in 19 innings with a 2.84 ERA and a 17.6 HR/FB%. Sox shining some turds this year. Very small sample size, it is a good start but we'll see what happens over time in my opinion.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) My entire fault with Jason is that there is no level of excitement. There is nothing that separates him from any national announcer who could be covering a game. There should be some level of excitement and joy to be had from the White Sox doing well, from the announcers that are being covered to cover the White Sox. I know the knock on Hawk is "homer" to some extent, but I can't think of a better broadcast team out there than Pat Foley and Eddie O for the Hawks. They live and die with the Hawks, and I love it. That is what I want on my home town call. That is my favorite thing about Hawk. He is a Sox fan, with a Sox fan point of view, giving the game to other Sox fans. I have yet to get that vibe from Benetti despite the effort to sell him otherwise. This is a good point but one that I think will come in time as he 'shakes off' his ESPN persona and becomes more and more the "White Sox announcer." You mention Foley and Eddie O and that's an excellent comparison. But remember they have been working together as a team for many years...chemistry takes time (and sometimes it just doesn't happen see Harry Caray and J.C. Martin) and Foley and Ed have a way of getting their point across about bad play, bad officiating, bad luck without making themselves look petty or bringing down the wrath of the commissioner (as what happened when Hawk had his comments in Tampa and got Selig and JR involved to the point where he was called out on it) That style takes time to flourish too. I think it with come with Jason. If not, if five years or so, probably under new ownership, changes will be made again in the booth.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jun 1, 2017 -> 01:27 PM) When is Benetti going to take the s***ty sportswriters to task? When is Benetti going to call out the bulls*** umps try to pull. Sure it's not always professional but it draws attention to the problem. Hawk also came up with some of great nicknames in the game. Those things are gone once you go to your cookie cutter professional announcer. Jason's job isn't to "take the s***ty sportswriters to task" or to "call out the bulls*** umps try to pull." His job is to call the baseball game, pure and simple. And truth be told I can tell you the White Sox don't want him doing that either. Even JR, Hawk's closest friend and confidant, has laid down the law to him at times over his comments and conduct. The Sox with their new primary TV announcer do not want controversy. If something needs to be brought out to the audience they want him doing it in a reasonable and professional manner not one in which the announcer loses his temper or comes across as sullen and taciturn. I suspect they 'put up' (for want of a better word) with Hawk when he did things like this, especially the last few years, because of his reputation and the fact that he earned some leeway...but that doesn't apply in Jason's case...at least for the next 20 years anyway.

QUOTE (greg775 @ May 31, 2017 -> 08:28 PM) Bull. He's fit to be in the booth. He's a legend and still has it. Hawk is 75 years old. His eyesight is failing him, mentally he doesn't appear to be as sharp and I suspect there are other issues since he often has to vacate the booth from time to time. That's not a knock on him, it's the human condition, that's the reality of things. I can tell you from personal experience that just doing 11 football and 30 or so basketball games drains you with all the travel and I'm "only" 61. I can't imagine doing 81 games or a full season of over 200 counting spring training and if you make the post season. Like it or not, it's a young man's game. Hawk gets to go out on his own terms, that's not a bad thing and again, just my opinion, it was time for a change. I think he finally realized it himself, hence the announcement. Time marches on for everyone. The last thing Hawk, I think, wanted to turn into, was say Harry Caray after his stroke where the poor guy didn't even know what stadium he was in half the time. And the Sox didn't need that situation either. Wish him well in his retirement but it was time to move on.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2017 -> 10:33 PM) Colorado is looking to buy, sell or stand pat? Cargo's having a garbage season. What about DBacks? Try to dump Greinke? Colorado lost their top set up guy for awhile but they are still one of the best teams in the N.L. They'll be a buyer. Arizona right now is in the playoff mix solidly. They aren't going to dump Grienke or anybody, they'll also be a buyer in my opinion.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2017 -> 08:11 PM) Starting to think the Cubs were right on Renteria....he's like Torborg/Manuel, good managers at working with youngsters but NOT the right man to lead them to the promised land. (But at least he played a major role in getting Luis Robert and will be around until the beginning of the 2019 season or halfway through that year.) Not to get to far off topic but remember Torborg was forced out by Ron Schueler who wanted to hire his own guy. That in my opinion was a major mistake. I have no doubt the Sox would of done extremely well in the next few seasons had he been allowed to remain. It also wouldn't have hurt had Larry Himes not turned down a deal that was offered to him in spring training 1990 from the Yankees. New York wanted starting pitcher Eric King and Steve Lyons. They were willing to offer Hal Morris...and...Bernie Williams!