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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 07:39 PM) Well, you know me, I'm as critical of Sox mgmt as anyone around. But I'm thinking they are playing this one out exactly as they should. They don't HAVE to move either Sale or Quintana, as we all know, and appear to only be willing to do so for a king's ransom, as they should. The leverage is 100% with the Sox, and they are using it to the hilt. The closer we get to that deadline tomorrow, the better the deal(s) will be for the Sox, if they make one or any at all. Not sure if that is true. Many speculate that there is no accountability in the White Sox FO. After a winter of moves which should have improved the team, on July 31st the White Sox are 3 games below .500. The exact same level they were a year ago on 7/31. So Hahn has all the leverage as long as JR is content where they stand today. But if there is any discontent on management's part with the present situation, then I am not sure Hahn has all the leverage. Cashman can walk away from the table since he has improved their farm system this weekend. Dombrowski can walk away since his team is still in contention for a WC and his farm system is loaded w talent. But if Hahn walks away from the table with a team that is stumbling after the All Star break, had an embarassing situation w his star player this week, the crosstown rivals are headed to the post-season and all he has to show is a 4th outfielder for his efforts at the deadline, he may be feeling the heat.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 07:54 PM) No thanks. Coats is not a major leaguer. Not Coats, I said play Tilson the rest of this season. I think Melky's value is as high as it ever will. See if some team could use a .300 hitter( both a veteran and a lefty) for the stretch run.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 06:13 PM) I will say this, if Hahn doesn't move Melky between now and tomorrow, it strongly supports the idea they'll be going for it in 2017. Agree. As I said yesterday, I am afraid Hahn is still going for it in 2016. Not sure Melky's value will ever be higher than today and they just added a 4th outfielder who can be slotted in for the rest of the season.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 10:36 AM) Just because they have Kimbrel coming back soon, doesn't mean they wouldn't be interested in another back-end reliever. Robertson would still be a weapon for them. And where did you see anything about Benintendi coming up? He has 258 plate appearances in AA, that would be an absurd rush job. I live part of year in New England. One of beat writers wrote he is on fast track due to Holt injury and Bentz struggling. Bentz stuck out twice last night w bases loaded which has really fueled the rumors this morning w Boston media.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 09:35 AM) I wouldn't. You'd still need top end pitching talent. This is what I would do. Sale and Robertson to the Red Sox for Moncada, Benintendi, Swihart, Devers, Kopech, and Basabe. (Drive up price because Yankees now have the pieces to get a Sale trade done). Quintana to the Dodgers for Urias, De Leon, Holmes, and Calhoun. Farm system rebuilt. As I posted yesterday, Kimbrall was making a rehab start last night. According to Boston Globe, he will be reactivated on Monday. So they will not want Robertson. Maybe Duke would attract their interest. Also it appears Benintendi may be recalled to play LF for their stretch run after their road trip. He may now be off the trade board as Boston continues to add young players with last names beginning w B.

QUOTE (daggins @ Jul 31, 2016 -> 09:09 AM) Miller is better than DRob but the difference isn't as pronounced as ERA says it is. Control and money are similar. Get it done, Rick. Money is $9 mil more for D Rob but teams do throw money around when the need is there.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 08:08 PM) Benintendi, Devers, Kopech, Vazquez, Swihart, and Travis for Q and Robertson NO. The Red Sox will not want Robertson. Not sure why you would want 2 converted left-fielders. Travis has a torn ACL, Vazquez had Tommy John, struggled on his return and got sent back to the minors and Swihart is on 60 day DL. Getting 3 guys w recent injury problems is really rolling the dice.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 07:26 PM) If I were Hahn I'd be trying like hell to package Sale and Robertson to Boston. Sale and Robertson For Moncada, Benintendi, Travis Shaw, Kopech, Eduardo Rodriguez I think getting Robertson could sway them over the top in trading both Moncada and Benintendi. Would be hard to say they wouldn't be the World Series favorite if Boston got an ace and another dominant set up man. I really doubt Boston wants Robertson. Kimbrall started tonight in AAA and is being reactivated Monday. Sale has to bring at least 1 ML "stud" not just prospects. Maybe this type of deal in offseason w Betts in and Benintendi out.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 05:45 PM) oh and Alex Speier ‏@alexspeier 4s4 seconds ago White Sox evaluators aren't just scouting Red Sox' system. Source says Chicago looking at catchers, incl Christian Vazquez and Gary Sanchez. https://twitter.com/alexspeier/status/759505031401844736 Would love Vazquez but he may not be an ML bat. But is an ML catcher. Not a great fit on a team looking for some offense. But a long range solution behind the plate.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 04:17 PM) Boston and Texas desperately need some bullpen help. I think Boston would be more interested in Dukes than Robertson. Their closer Kimbrall will be back on Monday and Joe Kelly has been throwing 100+ in relied appearances since he joined the pen last week. But they may need a lefty.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 03:00 PM) I really don't see a point to moving DRob if they are planning on going for it again next year which they are if they aren't moving Sale or Q Never mind 2017, if they don't move Shields Duke and Frazier, they actually still think they are going for it this year...................

Supposedly Kenny Rogers has been brought in as an advisor to Rick Hahn for the next couple of days.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 11:31 AM) I don't think Sale is going to get dealt but a piece of me thinks Boston caves on Monday towards the deadline more. But I see it being a Sale plus Robertson/Duke/Shields/Cabrera type of deal for the package we want (plus maybe a couple more highly regarded A-ballers and Swihart and/or Owens). It would help the Red Sox justify giving up a lot of prospects if they're able to fill another hole as well. I know left field has been a revolving door for them all season. I think Sale will not be moved. Doubt Red Sox will want Robertson or Cabrera. Would want Shields and Duke. Hopefully Hahn doesn't want Owens or Swihart as both have seen their value decline this season. Lots of rumors in Northeast but Boston sports radio this morning seems to indicate Shields or Hellickson are their targets. Maybe Dombrowski has his poker face going.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 30, 2016 -> 09:16 AM) Did you honestly just propose the #1 prospect in baseball for Shields & Fulmer? That has to be one the most ridiculous trade proposals I have ever seen on this board. You're undervaluation of Moncada is quite humorous. He probably is the #1 offensive prospect in baseball but he may be 2 years away. Also ultimately he may be a DH because Boston has better offensive/defensive young players in the outfield in front of him. Right now, Boston's #1 prospect may be Benintendi( also at AA) who they could promote to LF after the deadline because he is a 2 way player. Boston wants a World Series this year especially w Ortiz exiting and Shields could be that piece to put them over the top. Maybe the Sox have to add another pitching prospect or maybe upgrade to Rodon from Fulmer. Dombrowski is seldom enamored w prospects as he is with instant gratification.

I do think it is interesting that Boston still does not have a destination position for Moncada. Once they determined SS was not an option they tried 2nd. But Pedroia is in the way for upward movement and he has been very average there so far. Before road games they are now working on 3rd ( where Devers plays) and the outfield which already has Betts and Bradley and Benintendi headed there shortly. Moncada may end up being Ortiz's replacement at DH or maybe they will try 1st next. I wonder if he could be had for a Shields + Fulmer right now. Gives Boston pitching now and for the future w/o having to unload a lot of prospects.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 08:00 PM) If Texas wants Sale, then we need a package built around Mazara, Gallo, & Brinson. That may not be as sexy as a potential Red Sox trade with Moncada and/or Benintendi, but it's still a ton of positional talent to build around going forward. We'd probably have to include Melky and I'd fully expect some lesser prospects included as well, but I think there's a framework that works for both teams. Plus it allows them to keep Profar, who fills their short-term better than our long-term ones. Sale has to bring back at least 1 ML high quality player plus prospects. A package of just prospects, regardless of ranking is a bad deal. For example, as "sexy "as the Red Sox trade is, both young studs are presently learning new positions in AA. Which is probably why if Sale is to be moved, it should happen in the offseason so teams like Texas or Boston will be more likely to part w a ML starter.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 03:29 PM) If I am Hahn, I am not trading Sale without getting those two plus some. Case closed and if it was the off-season I'd want one of Betts / Bradley plus one of Moncada / Benitendi and their best pitching prospect. Now some of you may say I am delusional, but that is what it would take if I were the GM. I would add they traded away their top pitching prospect who was in the lower minors last week. Remember the Red Sox have not developed a good pitcher they drafted in years. Also, if they could get Betts in the deal( offseason), they would not move Benitendi. So a Betts/Moncada + a lower prospect might be a viable option for Sale only. .

I really doubt Sale will be traded. But if by chance he is, hopefully security sweeps the clubhouse for sharp objects before the trade is announced.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 29, 2016 -> 07:45 AM) Sale loves his teammates. They really stood behind him. He wants to pitch. Not as much as he loves the comfort of his uni.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) Betts >> Bradley and has more value than Sale by himself, so not sure why Bradley is the untouchable one and Betts isn't. Bradley>>> Betts. Bradley higher in OPS-SLUG-OBP and Bradley already may be the best defensive CF in all of baseball. He pushed Betts to RF

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) Surprised about the Frazier news. I think Hahn will trade to save face. Some possiblities 1. Frazier or Melky not both--get back 2 mid-level prospects 2. Duke-gets a mid-level prospect 3. Miggy and 5th slot is juggled rest of year.-- high mid-level prospect since SP pitching seems a hot commodity. 4. If Robertson does go, I am afraid it will be mostly money and a couple of low prospects.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) Part Moancada, Benintendi, Devers and Swihart. Sale/Q's price alone covers the first three. Robertson could justify Swihart on his own with the current market. Then give them a starter to make get the trigger pulled. Likewise with Urias, Pederson, De Leon and someone like Montas or Verdugo. That is an awful trade for Sale. None are close to being MLB proven. Moancada is a great hitting prospect who is in AA learning to play 2nd base because it is the only infield position he seems able to learn. Obviously Pedroia is in front of him for many years. Red Sox think he will ultimately move to the outfield( but he would be blocked again if Benintendi is legit) or more likely replace Ortiz as a DH. Swihart is on 60 day DL. Red Sox felt his defense was not ML quality and sent him back to AAA to learn left field. Again, he is blocked at majors level if Benintendi is ready next year. I think there is no way you trade sale unless Betts( Bradley is probably untouchable) is included. Doubt Red Sox trade Betts unless next winter if they do not win it all. No clue what Q would get. Maybe this package for Q and hope Moancada can learn 2nd and Swihart LF at AAA next year and Benintendi can jump to outfield next year. FYIW---Per CBS, Peter Gammons who used to be very connected to Red Sox but not sure any more said Moancada, Ben. and Devers are not being traded. Maybe Dombrowski is posturing but............................

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jul 28, 2016 -> 08:28 AM) Making no moves is a huge mistake for this organization. No, making bad moves is a huge mistake for this organization. They should only make moves that "on paper" improve the team. There is a much bigger trade market in the offseason but usually more desperate traders now.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 27, 2016 -> 07:44 PM) Sign me up Robertson is owed a lot of money in the coming years. I think the return in prosects will be very limited unless the White Sox are covering part of the future salary. My guess is he stays w us.

Saw Ranaudo pitch a few weeks ago against Red Sox AAA and he was outstanding that game. Boston I think it was a 3 hit shutout over 8