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But I wasn't referring to his overall ability to play SS as his regression based on WAR. I was trying to understand how TA as a rookie was vastly superior in dawar to his play this season. I see where he has 10 more errors but he has improved his range factor this year. What other defensive stats other than errors has he dropped in from rookie year to present. Using WAR, it would indicate TA has not improved in his 4 years. His offense has jumped way up but has completely been offset by his decline in defense. As a casual fan, I don't agree but there must be metrics I am missing.

Someone posted yesterday that Abreu w 100+ RBI's still trails Yolmer in WAR. I was thinking today what a good year Tim has had at the plate. He continues to keep his average above .320 . I looked up his WAR after 100 games this season and he is at 2.7. His rookie year he played 99 games and his WAR for that season was 2.7. Now across the board, his offensive numbers except triples are higher than in 2016 including a significant increase in BA and a huge drop in SO. But regardless, his DWAR drop this year offsets his OWAR increase. He has made 10 more errors this year but has an increase in range factor. WAR fans may get under the covers and find some rationale but it seems to me that errors have a greater impact on WAR than any offensive stat.

Just a thought to maybe save you some time. Do you really think JR reads his mail? You can be assured he has an admin who opens all his mail and sends to him what he wants and places the rest in her circular file. Maybe send it to Hahn instead in case he is looing for an advisor.........................

We agreed previously on Grandal. The guy tends to die down the stretch. But I think there would be a problem dropping him into a 3 way rotation. If you can drop him to 120ish that might work. Otherwise I would pass on him and maybe trade for a LH IB/DH type.

With word of Cordell being recalled, Vegas just dropped Charlotte's odds of winning the IL.

I would think 3/54 would even get it done. But the guy is a machine catching games. He would have to agree to reduce his catching duties because he usually breaks down every year in 2nd half. This year he had 19 Hr at the break and has 1 since.

What do you think money wise it will take?

The FA market has ups and downs as we saw with Machado/Harper vs some pitchers last winter. Grandal turned down 4yr-$60 Mil last winter to take $16 this year. I think starting offers would be 3-$48Mil. I agree w some he is a luxury although we need a LH bat.

But assuming Kopech Robert and Madrigal are added to ML roster next year, when should a change be made? Those 3 plus Gio, Cease, Lopez, TA, Eloy and Yoan are the major components of the rebuild. There are other pieces like Vaughn and maybe Collins and then the major FA additions. I consider it a bad sign if the big 3 from the coaching staff all return next year.

I agree but in fairness Abreu has hit 16 of his 28 HR on the road.

Agree they would have to sign an "ace pitcher" .

With the way he has pitched this year, Gio will be an ace going into next year and be the Sox #1 starter.

He and McCann both have bounced back after the brief post All-Star slump. Must have been the partying at the AS game.

You must be using ESPN which is wrong. Going in to today, TA is 6th in AL and Moncada is 11th. LeMahieu is leading with .338

They are firmly 3rd in the division now. Did you mean 3rd in WC race?

I think that might do it or worse case they have to go 4 years. I think 6 is a good number for him.

I think Rendon fits in to the same category as Grandal. With McCann's August so far, unless he has a total collapse down the stretch, I think Hahn will not spend a huge amount on Grandal. Rendon is a stud offensively, but Hahn will go w Moncada and Madrigal. Unless you foresee someone moving to right, I don't see big bucks going to Rendon. I think Hahn will go for production from RF and will spend big bucks or trade to get that player. Hopefully as CWS said, a LH bat.

Walton gets really old really quickly doing a college basketball game. Who the hell thought he should do an MLB game.

In fairness, Renteria is ranked 18 of 32 in salary. That is pretty decent especially w his limited managerial experience coming in.

Beating the Astros in a game you use your "#5 starter" is a beautiful thing.

Supposedly a great framer but his SB%( which can be mis-leading ) is not as good as McCann. We will see where the market goes this off-season. The Mets offered him 4-60 and he turned it down. As Poppy notes it is a year later.

I understand your thinking on McCann and he would be an excellent backup with just his defense. Also cut Grandal 's catching duties and utilize his bat to prevent his drop off late in year. But if Grandal already turned down 4-60, as I said earlier I would guess you have to go 5-80 to get him.

If he turned that down last year, that may have to be the opening bid. Maybe more like 5 and 80

Moan: Two questions. What kind of deal would you see him getting? What happens if McCann has a good( .280+) 2nd half? Grandal is getting 18.2 MIL this year. Now that was a 1 yr Brewer all in move. He is 30 and he turned down 4 YR $60 last season when he took the $18.2 to become a FA. His BA drops off pretty consistently 2nd half each year but homers don't. He has struggled in numerous postseason appearances. He now averages 120 starts so he is is pretty healthy. Very good defensive catcher although this year McCann may be slightly better stat wise. He would bat mostly LH which is a lineup need. I would guess he takes best offer but that might be minimum 4 YR $60 Mil again.

or trade him at the deadline........................................